Digital BW, The Print

Ernst and Tyler and Bruce are all right.

I've seen a lot of these comparisons up close. The K6 and K7 Cone 
inks throught Studio Print or QTR provide a three dimensional quality 
to high end monochrome on matte rag papers that I've never seen on 
Epson K2 or K3 and it is easy to deal with. The dmax is slightly 
better also on matte papers, but it is the high end light value 
seperation that is the most obvious, along with perfectly consistent 
color at all times.

The MIS UT3D with a proper rip and a glop channel on glossy papers 
like Silver Rag can also be amazing, I've seen em, something that the 
Piezography inks are still struggling with, for the moment, the gloss 
fiber capability and amazing dmax that these papers give.

The HPZ3100 has the highest matte paper dmax numbers of them all. 
Witness Ernst's numbers there, wow. That is because it is adding some 
of their photo black into the mix, right out of the HP driver and not 
even requiring a rip. 

The Hp also provides the smootheset output on gloss type papers, 
without having to switch out any black inks, spray with toxins, 
etc... very neutral and easily hue alterable for warmer or cooler 
prints. It is the easiest and most versatle of them all and your next 
print could be color matte or glossy or whatever you need at that 
moment. 

The latest posts from Wilhelm do have Epson monochrome pigments rated 
extremely high for permanence and that is a good thing for us all. 
That was a surprise.

Also this trend to design paper coatings in association with various 
inksets is something to watch as well.

John 



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla 
<E.Dinkla@...> wrote:
>
> djon43 wrote:
> 
> > Some of the "special" inks beloved by the pixel peepers among us
> > inherently produce lower Dmax than OEM inks on some of the
> > most-favored papers. However, there's not much argument for 
anything
> > other than OEM inks these days, at least with new Epson
> > printers...unless you're trying to use one for mass production, 
where
> > lithography would make more sense.
> 
> What I recall is that the Epson OEM inks performed best on 
> the Epson branded papers and that MIS Eboni did better on 
> the plain Hahnemuhle coatings. Right now I get better Dmax 
> with the HP Vivera on Photorag than I got with MIS Eboni. 
> 1.67 versus 1.77 D. The Vivera is neutral while the other 
> two were warm, one more than the other. The Vivera should 
> deliver an even better Dmax on the HP version of Photorag. 
> Lithography in mass production is offset printing, the 
> quality isn't comparable to inkjet printing.
> 
> -- 
> Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst
> 
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