Digital BW, The Print

Good point!!

I have a kodak IR print from the old 3000(big paper) right next to me and maybe a dozen images on the 'puter. The only thing that has selective focus is a head shot of another motobiker sharing the lane. A good part of that cornfield blur is motion at 50-60mph rather than out of focus

The point I was suggesting is that I don't know if a great Boke' glass will work with IR - It's a lot of scattered light. Who's got glass designed for 900Nm??

My strat was to get into the trees and let the IR open-up the shadows.

I have a small collection of color large format digital IR landscapes I lifted from the web (shh..) and I don't see these people working with selective focus.

gar

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On 3/7/08 at 9:52 PM Charlie Thomson wrote:

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>  From: markleewebb 
>  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
>  Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 8:29 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Clarification - Depth of Field and Landscapes
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>  My camera is a Nikon D70 converted by LifePixel (normal conversion).
>
>  Actually, if you look at some of Adam's works, you see very bright 
>  and white foliage and very drak black skies - very much like an IR 
>  image.
>
>  You're right about choice of subject....but that's not just an IR 
>  issue. Any landscape where it's not just a wide field all-inclusive 
>  shot but you're trying to emphasive a particular subject amidst 
>  other competing elements has this challenge.
>
>  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Weaver" 
>  <garww@...> wrote:
>  >
>  > Hi,
>  > 
>  > I've only a can of Kodak IR under my belt and tried unmodified 
>  digital IR.
>  > 
>  > IR is all over the place, so you don't have the same options as 
>  with normal films.
>  > 
>  > Selective focus with this factor and typical wide FOV is problem 
>  prone. To make it effective I think you have to choose the subject 
>  placement carefully and maybe consider morning shooting when only 
>  some things have warmed-up.
>  > 
>  > I can't relate ansel stuff to IR stuff in any which way.
>  > 
>  > And I really don't know about the digital end - you don't indicate 
>  what wavelength your sensor can resolve.
>  > 
>  > gar
>  > 
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>  > On 3/7/08 at 3:43 AM markleewebb wrote:
>  > 
>  > >But is it done - and done well- with b&w landscapes? 
>  > >
>  > >Here is why I ask: for landscapes, folks like Ansel Adams taught 
>  that 
>  > >aperture is the first concern. He and other great landscape 
>  artists 
>  > >were very concerned about sharpness and capturing a lot of 
>  detail. He 
>  > >even founded Group f.64 - guess why ! He felt that photography 
>  should 
>  > >take advantage of the nature of the medium and make photographs 
>  with 
>  > >as much depth of field as possible. But in some scenes it's hard 
>  to 
>  > >emphasize a particular tree or group of natural elements because 
>  > >they're not well seperated from other distracting elements around 
>  > >them. That's why I was asking.
>  > >
>  > >If someone has some good examples and web sites with samples they 
>  > >could point me to where the photographer used selective DOF IN A 
>  > >LANDSCAPE - and did it with SUCCESS :) that would help me study 
>  other 
>  > >works and gain some perspective on an alternative technique that 
>  may 
>  > >serve me well. 
>  > >
>  > >Thanks. 
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Watson 
>  > ><bwyg@> wrote:
>  > >>
>  > >> markleewebb wrote:
>  > >> > Question - for shots like this where you are stuck with a 
>  > >background 
>  > >> > of other trees and you have other trees to right and to left 
>  and 
>  > >> > sometimes in foreground - can you ever use DOF to emphasize 
>  your 
>  > >main 
>  > >> > subject? Nail focus on main subject but go very soft using 
>  DOF on, 
>  > >> > say, the background? Is this ever done with landscapes?
>  > >> > 
>  > >> Of course it's "done." Selective focus is just another tool to 
>  use 
>  > >in 
>  > >> expressing one's vision.
>  > >> --
>  > >> Bruce Watson
>  > >>
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