I experimented with 360/720 on and off for years, and when I got my beater 3000 I send it 180. Like many suggestions here, results may vary, but it gives you a place to experiment from. gar *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/3/08 at 12:04 AM Andre Moreau wrote: >Dear all, > >Lately I have been exchanging emails with Ctein * on the subject of >rezzing-up and upsampling and resolving what Jeff Schewe and the late >Bruce Fraser have basically said: «If the native resolution of an >image fall between 180 and 480ppi, just sent the file to the printer» > >After reading his emails a few times, I decided to share with you his >observations, which, IMHO, may be of interest to the members this >list. As for myself, I think I've learned a lot from his emails and >will certainly review the way I print. > >"Dear Andre, > >Broadly, I agree with Schewe and Fraser. 180 PPI is a bit low for my >taste for smaller prints (up to 11 x 14). I've got pretty sharp eyes >and I can see the pixelation at that resolution. 240 PPI and above >really isn't a problem. If you're talking about larger prints, 180 >would be fine. As for the high end, there's really no reason to ever >resample, unless your computer is choking on the size of the file. It >doesn't matter whether you send the printer 500 PPI, 1000 PP or even >2000 PPI; it'll simply print as much detail as it can and that's it. > >Related to that is the "base resolution" issue. That term is something >of a misnomer with modern printers. All of the "photo-quality" >printers can reproduce considerably finer detail than 300/360 PPi. >Even the Epson 2200, the least sharp printer I've tested in the past >five years, reproduced 450 PPI; the best printers I've used can >reproduce 800-1000 PPI worth of fine detail. If I have a higher >resolution file, I would never down-sample it to a mere 360/300 PPI >for output; I would just be throwing away detail. > >There are VERY subtle artifacts that turn up with "non-native" PPI's, >but I can only see them in carefully designed and very artificial test >charts and they're down near the single-pixel level. They're >completely invisible in a regular photograph. It's an entirely >ignorable effect with modern printers. > >~ pax \ Ctein" > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >It's just Ctein, no "Mr." in front of it. We're all friends, here. > >I'm glad I could be of help. Yes, there is a lot of old, obsolete >"wisdom" out there. Plus there is some accurate yet misleading testing >going on as well. Some folks use special test targets to determine the >point where the printer starts introducing artifacts into the image >and assert that that's limiting resolution of the printer. That's only >true if you're using it for scientific purposes where you need 100% >perfect fidelity of reproduction. From a photographer's point of view, >the limiting resolution is the one where throwing finer detail at the >printer doesn't give you any more detail in the print, and that's >several times finer detail than the level at which no distortions at >all occur. > >~ pax \ Ctein > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >I don't believe I wrote anything particularly embarrassing [ smile ], >so feel free to quote me. > >I read Mike's column at the link you provided, and I think he gives a >pretty good assessment of the situation. There is one important point >he didn't mention; printing to a dye-sublimation printer is different >from printing to an inkjet printer. There are good reasons to >re-sample an image to the native resolution of a continuous tone >printer like dye-sublimation, because they really do operate with a >fixed pixel pitch. There is never an advantage that I can see to >downsampling an image to the "native resolution" of an inkjet printer. >Sending less detail to the printer just to match the native resolution >will always produce a less detailed print and won't make a visible >difference in terms of odd artifacts. > >~ pax \ Ctein > > >* Ctein is a photographer, master printer and scientist. He has a >double degree from Caltech in English and Physics. > >Mike's column refers to Mike Chaney.
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Re: [Digital BW] Ctein on rezzing-up and upsampling
2008-06-03 by Gary Weaver
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