Some things I still miss in comments like that. First, downsampling is hardly mentioned while it happens enough. If anti-aliasing algorithms are absent or of a low quality in the driver's extrapolation it can influence the quality of small prints considerably. Much depends on the image content. If the application takes care of the downsampling (some do that on the fly in printing, like Qimage) and sends the image data at native resolution to the printer the same applies to the algorithms used in that application. So Ctein's line that 500 to 2000 PPI files can be thrown at the printer and it will simply print as much detail as it can is not working on downsampling. Worst cases are when a 1200 PPI file will be printed through 600 PPI native resolution of a printer, same for 600 to 300 PPI. or 720 to 360. It is then not the user who deliberatey downsamples to meet the printer's native resolution but this happens automatically in the driver or application when the print size and the quality settings tell the driver that a certain native PPI is requested. http://www.xs4all.nl/~bvdwolf/main/foto/down_sample/example1.htm The minimum of 180 PPI to send to a printer. While no upsampling can add information to a file that has not enough data there's a lot of difference between upsampling algorithms on how pleasing the effect is to the picture. If Ctein more or less says that modern printers can lay down between 450 to 1000 PPI worth of detail (and he can still see that) then the different qualities of upsampling methods can not be ignored either. There are enough printer drivers and applications around that are not up to date in their extrapolation algorithms to proof that. The MP number of cameras is increasing and some have even improved the pixel quality parallel to that but at the same time the demand for larger prints is growing too. There's more printed that crosses the 180 PPI limit downwards than that meets any of the 1000-2000 PPI numbers above. Like in Jeff Schewe's comments on the Luminous Landscape pages-forum I see here deluxe PPI numbers quoted that may be their practice (possibly with digital MF backs, MF and LF scans, etc) that may make the differences in output on large prints negligible but I don't think that is practice everywhere. Qimage made it easy for the user to cope with "native resolution" to a degree that he/she doesn't have to know what the native resolution of the printer is or can even forget the whole concept of native resolution. That's a good thing to a degree. For the users who are interested the preview window and the max extrapolation setting still tells them what the current native printer resolution is + the print queue tells them what PPI the image has at that scale and they can adapt their printing to that if necessary (system memory, speed of processing and printing, required quality in the print, quality to expect, etc). I do not think it is wise to brush the concept of native resolution under the carpet for printer users in general and tell them that they are save between 180 and 2000 PPI input resolution. Especially not for users without Qimage working for them. It doesn't improve their understanding of what goes on in the printing process and it may deliver them prints that are not optimal. Users that ask questions about native resolution show at least some desire to learn and shouldn't be send back into the bush. Could it be that this simple "send it 180 to 2000 PPI and don't ask more questions" has it origins in the frustration of Mac users who are waiting so long for an application like Qimage to appear on what they think is the only genuine graphic platform around? Of course the Qimage's GUI must be disgusting for a Mac user but is that enough to abandon its concept as a whole? A concept that both makes the job easier but also shows a bit of the underlying process. It is in my opinion a strange omission that on the LL pages not a word is found on Qimage or any review of that application. Often enough the advice to use it appears in the forum there but that's contributed by the forum members and not picked up by the LL staff. Mike Chaney is present on the Steve's Digicam pages but at least major new version announcements and some reviews appear on other photography sites as well. There's competition between sites like there is competition between sharpening, extrapolation plug-ins/programs and Qimage like there is competition between Ego's. It is a bit harder to understand why that should result in ignoring some aspects of printing that matter. -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst | Dinkla Grafische Techniek | | www.pigment-print.com | | ( unvollendet ) |
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Re: [Digital BW] Ctein on rezzing-up and upsampling
2008-06-03 by Ernst Dinkla
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