Digital BW, The Print

Jerry,
Carbon Pigment prints could also be a 'carbon print'.  I don't know if you ever
heard of these.  I believe they are somewhat akin to a 'carbo' print,.  Which is
to say a type of transfer process using carbon pigment inks are the emulsion.
Quite beautiful, very stable, and *very* difficult to make.

But you can see how calling an inkjet print made with carbon pigment inks could
be confused actual 'carbon' prints with your proposed labeling system.

And again, calling something a black & white photograph does nt inform.  I can
think of at least 5 different methods of making a black & white photo (including
inkjet technology), and all of them require different methods to achieve and
archive.

Again, inform and educate, not generalize and obfuscate.

And as far as your feeling that 'inkjet' sounds cheap and easy cheap, so is
'photograph'...Go to any 1 hour lab or drugstore.  In my opinion, *that* is no
excuse.

Harvey Ferdschneider
partner, SKID Photography, NYC





>  They used to be called Black and White Photographs.
>
> Carbon Pigment is also descriptive of the method used to make the print.
>
> Anyhoo, sounds better than Inkjet print, which most people (non photo
> types) think are cheaply made-anyone-can-do-that prints.
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
> SKID Photography wrote:
> >
> > Jerry,
> > But you have admit, 'Silver Gelatin Print' *is* descriptive of the type of
> > photograph, as compared to Platinum, or Palladium, or Bromoil etc.
> >
> > The point of the labels are to describe and inform, and you must agree that
> > Silver Gelatin Print is informative...What would you have them call
> > them.....'pictures'?  ;-D  <vbg>
> >
> > Harvey Ferdschneider
> > partner, SKID Photography, NYC
> >
> > >  Ah Yes, New York City. Land of the Museums. I imagine they started
> > > calling them silver gelatin 20 years before it got to North Dakota.
> > > We're usually about 10 years behind the rest of the country for a lot of
> > > things up here.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > SKID Photography wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jerry, Todd, everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I guess my point is that we don't get to set the labels, the academics
> do,
> > > those
> > > > people are the ones that archive, and write the history.  The reasoning
> is
> > > that
> > > > they have no prejudices (like 'this name sounds cool") and just want to
> be
> > > > exacting and informative.
> > > >
> > > > A simple example is Man Ray.  He called those cameraless images that he
> made
> > >
> > > > 'Rayograms' (or something like that) and the historians label them in
> > > museums as
> > > > 'Photograms'.
> > > >
> > > > Why fight what apparently has been set in place already? (Brooklyn
> Museum
> > > etc.)
> > > >
> > > > Again, call your prints what you will, it is certainly your right as the
>
> > > > creator.  But if one wants to be 'neutral' (without any hype, marketing,
> or
> > > > artistic flourish), what we all make here are 'INKJET PRINTS' using
> various
> > > > different inks on various substrates..
> > > >
> > > > Harvey Ferdschneider
> > > > partner, SKID Photography, NYC
> > > >
> > > > >  I recognize the difference Harvey.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the term "Inkjet print" does have an inferior connotation to most
> > > > > ears. Sort of like 90 minute photo versus Custom photography.
> > > > >
> > > > > And it doesn't sound nearly as pretentious as "Giclée".
> > > > >
> > > > > Jerry
> > > > >
> > > > > SKID Photography wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jerry,
> > > > > > I beg to differ.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To be academically correct (like from a museum and informative
> > > standpoint)
> > > > > they
> > > > > > are inkjet prints using 'carbon pigment' (or whatever) inks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To use any other term is a marketing ploy.  And that's ok if you
> > > recognize
> > > > > the
> > > > > > difference. :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Harvey Ferdschneider
> > > > > > partner, SKID Photography, NYC
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jerry Olson wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >  Why not just call them what they are? Carbon Pigment Prints.
> > > > > > >
>





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