Digital BW, The Print

Perhaps I am just poor at writing but you seem to get the point. I should
have connected the film types more closely together; C41 base and silver
based.  The light is being interpreted with or without grain, there is NOT a
direct response as there is with film to print. I have yet to see a good
relationship between scanning and enlargement to grain to print. i.e. scan a
4x5 and print to 16x20. Enlarge a 4x5 to 16x20 and compare grain. Now do
that over with 35mm and 2 ¼ and at various print sizes as well. The
interpretation should change at each print size. Change the scan resolution
and you change the pixel matching of the grain etc.  We interpret what grain
we want to see based on our film days. We get rid of scanner noise, sharpen,
etc. All subjective acts performed by us and our software. We are not simply
looking at the grain passing through a sharp or unsharp lens that has great
focus or doesn’t. 

 

 It sounds like a real film print to 5x7 or 8x10 will work for Paul. 

 

Eric Neilsen

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

214-827-8301

 

www.ericneilsenphotography.com

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dana H.
Myers
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:03 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] That film look

 

Eric Neilsen wrote:

> AS to the dust and grain, it is well known that scanner don't handle the
> grain of B&W film well with ICE. It is how they work or don't that sets
that
> up as I understand it. It doesn't see the grain as much as it interprets
> light and dark.

The reason ICE doesn't work with silver films is that silver is opaque
to infrared, unlike dye films. ICE basically works by scanning with
an IR channel, to which dust is opaque and the dye layers are not, and
effectively creating a mask. Since silver is opaque, the image is treated
as a dust and removed.

It has nothing to do with the scanner actually recreating the grain.

Cheers,
Dana



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