Digital BW, The Print

wht not try OCP inks instead?

--- On Mon, 2/23/09, kolwicz@... <kolwicz@...> wrote:
From: kolwicz@... <kolwicz@minetfiber.com>
Subject: [Digital BW] Re:Clogging risks
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 12:32 PM











    
            Myron,



There's lots of opinions out there on both sides of the issue. I've

never heard of any definitive study that proves it one way or the other.

The manufacturers don't provide any data, so how many of those machines

replaced under warranty were due to ink blockages?



User experience varies in ways that are not obvious in anecdotal

reports: what is the frequency of use; what are the user's expectations;

how adept is he/she at analyzing and solving technical problems and

dealing with things like refilling and/or continuous inking systems; how

comfortable are you with taking the risk and relying on your own skills,

etc. What may be problematic for you, is probably just a more or less

interesting challenge for someone else - I'm in that category, I don't

rely on my printer for income or any other critical use; I don't have so

many gallery shows that there is a huge demand for my prints on tight

deadlines.



Over almost 10 years of digital printing I've heard reports on both

sides: third party inks clog more frequently or only just as frequently

as OEM inks. My own experience and analysis is that most "clogs" are due

to air gaps at the cart exit port, not dry ink in the nozzles and that

dry ink is as likely to cause problems from a build-up on the underside

of the head as from drying in the nozzle.



I don't have any late-model Epson printers - I'm still using one of the

three 2200's with MIS Pro pigment inks and I've been using MIS pigment

inks in various machines since they came out. Of the 3 2200s, one is in

storage because I thought it had a fatal mechanical or firmware fault

and one flat-out broke after warranty. 2 have been rebuilt machines. The

one I'm running has been in use for about 3 years and I haven't bought

OEM ink in 5 years or more. I do very little printing, the machine can

sit for weeks at a time without use, so I'm a prime candidate for

clogging, except for those in very dry climates with similar uses.

Nozzle checks often show broken patterns, but they always clear up with

one or two full-power cleaning cycles (thanks to SSC Service Utility!).

I even ran out of Yellow ink recently because I accidentally pulled the

tube out of the ink in the reservoir and the whole cart went dry - it

recovered without a problem.



So, my conclusion is that, if you're technically competent and don't

mind fooling around with your equipment, third party inks, like MIS's,

are the way to go. If you only want a turn-key system and will call for

help at the least problem, stick with OEM all the way. If I was a

commercial printer, I'd also stick to OEM for the service, at least

during the warranty period.



Frank

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Myron wrote:

 Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:30 am (PST)



I have used MIS color and B&W inks with Epson 84/6/8, 2200 and R1800

    printers for about three years.



Clogging is not a *major* issue, but it does occur with annoying

    frequency. My recollection is that Eboni (pure matte black) is rarely

    a problem, but that everything else, color or black, can be

    problematic from time to time.



A few months ago I bought an Epson 4880. It is supposed to have new

    head design or material or something so it is less prone to clogging,

    and it does not have the tiny jet-size of the R1800. So far, so go.

    There have been a couple minor issues that required head cleaning, but

    the printer took care of it.



I will soon need to begin replacing the ink cartridges. I'm using

    220ml cartridges, at more than $100 each.



I am *tempted* to try MIS inks, but I'm worried that this might

    decrease the reliability of the printer. With a less expensive

    printer I wouldn't fret. But the 4880 is too big, too heavy and too

    expensive to expose to a meaningfully greater risk of "death clogging".



Does anyone have any experience or information that would help me

    judge whether there is greater risk of problems with MIS inks than

    with Epson inks on a 4880? At least with my other printers I prefer

    Eboni black to Epson's MK, but otherwise have no visual preferences

    one way or the other.



Thanks.

    Myron


 

      

    
    
	
	 
	
	








	


	
	


      

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