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Re: [Digital BW] HDR & B&W

2009-12-23 by Glenn

His work is quite spectacular and a proper use of HDR. Though you'd more likely say he's compensating for the limited dynamic range of the camera using multiple exposures.

I used to use a very early form of HDR - multiple exposures for spherical panoramas.

That is one situation where you're always going to have too wide dynamic range, but the results were always sub-optimal. 
Automation was almost always impossible.

Looking at the results some are getting even now, the results are often of unrealistic quality, at which point it falls into the "why bother" category. 

It hasn't progressed all that far really.

Has anybody tried enfuse? I've been meaning to check it's development progress

Glenn


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ken Alexander <k.alexander@...> wrote:
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> I tried HDR but my results were as horrible as the majority of what I see on the web.  It's discouraged me from spending much time on it.  One of the few bright lights in the HDR world is the Black & White HDR work by Maciek Duczynski, who has a small gallery on the Photomatix website:
> 
> http://www.hdrsoft.com/gallery/gallery.php?id=5&gid=1
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 12/22/09, pr_roark <paul.roark@...> wrote:
> 
> > From: pr_roark <paul.roark@...>
> > Subject: [Digital BW] HDR & B&W
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 2:08 AM
> > Luminous Landscape currently has an
> > article and forum thread on HDR.  I don't want to
> > duplicate it here, but I'm curious if people on this forum
> > are finding HDR very useful with respect to B&W
> > printing.  
> > 
> > With B&W I've always tended to increase contrast and do
> > quite a bit of dodging and burning.  I think this is
> > contrary to the usual color printing style and may make a
> > difference in whether the automated HDR approaches are
> > useful to us.  
> > 
> > So far, I do not find them very useful.  My
> > central/main exposure with an auto-bracketing shoot is
> > usually closer to the final contrast I'll want than is a
> > stock HDR. 
> > 
> > As such, what I find is that with CS4 and its ability to
> > align layers, I can do a better job than HDR by simply
> > putting the main exposure on the top layer and slowly
> > "erasing" the burned out areas with the -2 frame below, and
> > later erasing the too dark areas in the central exposure
> > with the +2 exposure below.  It feels to me just like
> > the dodging and burning type of image compression I've
> > always done in printing -- with just a little different
> > workflow.  
> > 
> > I think the manual approach can avoid some of the artifacts
> > of HDR, and the control it give plays into the aesthetic of
> > printing that is central to how I see good B&W printing.
> > 
> > 
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com 
> > 
> > 
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