Digital BW, The Print

Yes, but no gain really.

I think Walker's suggestions in using Piezography inks with ConeColor inks is improving on things and the way to go, than the other way around.

Jon

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Sonners <mark@...> wrote:
>
> Jon,
> 
> Can ConeColor PK be substituted for MPS gloss compatible shade 1? Or  
> can ConeColor MK be substituted for K7 sepia shade 1?  Just thought  
> I'd ask.
> 
> Mark
> On Mar 13, 2010, at 7:46 AM, piezobw wrote:
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> > The 3800 can use the inks from the 3880 but not the carts.
> >
> > ConeColor ink is encapsulated fine pigment with a very narrow band  
> > distribution of particle sizes that can easily pass through any of  
> > the Epson print heads, including those designed solely for dye inks.
> >
> > The only issue is as Walker points out - color management. The  
> > ConeColor inks while designed to work with Epson ICC workflow, are  
> > not color compatible when moved from one color range printer family  
> > to another. The Epson RGB workflow is very specific. You can alter  
> > what the printer is using - but you need to employ ICC or some  
> > other workflow in order to make it work. Not so different that  
> > using monochromatic inks in a color printer...
> >
> > We sell the Vivid inks into the 1400 by example. But, we provide  
> > more than 40 ICC profiles to make that possible. Without the ICCs -  
> > the customer gets weird color. With the ICCs, the 1400 become a  
> > little fine art printmaking system. WE provide the ICCs because at  
> > sub $200 printers, no one should be investing in $400 color  
> > management packages in order to print pigment.
> >
> > We do have customers running K7 shades 4&5 to replace Epson Lk and  
> > LLK respectively. The density match for these is nearly exact. Some  
> > customers are using the Neutral shades 1,4,5 to help with their  
> > color management on fine art papers. All our shade 4&5 inks are  
> > gloss compatible - but the only sets which are fully gloss  
> > compatible are Selenium K7 and WarmNeutral K7 which are both triple- 
> > encapsulated pigments from shade 2-7. MPS Black is our triple  
> > encapsulated photo black. There is enough encapsulation of K7 1 to  
> > prevent it from clogging (that is what encapsulation does), but not  
> > enough to make it glossy compatible.
> >
> > There is new very dense Piezography photo black which has greater  
> > dMax than MPS Black 1 - and has a very warm base undertone. But  
> > it's so warm that it can not replace Epson Photo Black without  
> > ICCs. I use this ink for my backlit process because it's fully opaque.
> >
> > The short is that if we can remove the color inks from any Epson  
> > printer and run monochromatic ink sets - it falls in line that we  
> > can put any color scheme into a printer as well. The issues are not  
> > mechanical (unless low quality inks are used), but rather a color  
> > management issue pertaining to the OEM printer driver. There really  
> > is and never has been a limit to what one can imagine as a  
> > preferred ink set. The only limitations are imposed by the OEM in  
> > an effort to thwart the use of non-OEM inks.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Jon Cone
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jhd622005"  
> > <jhd622005@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I read on the http://people.csail.mit.edu/ericchan/dp/Epson3800/ 
> > index.html
> > > webpage the 3800 cannot use the newer 3880 Epson inks.
> > > I would call the Cone office to be sure. The 3880 has a new print  
> > head and uses a different algorithim.
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m, "doggo@"  
> > <doggo@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have been printing a fairly large variety of papers on my  
> > 3800 for a couple of years and have never had a single problem that  
> > was not user induced. I have been seriously considering moving to  
> > the Cone inks and refillable cartridges. Cone also offers the Vivid  
> > ink in at attempt to provide that newer gamut from the inks of the  
> > 3880.
> > > > The Cone website says that it is unknown whether the Vivid inks  
> > will work with the Epson drive and further that new profiles would  
> > be required, which could be created by the ColorMunki, also  
> > avalable at the Cone site.
> > > > I'm pretty sure that I will buy the Cone color inks for the  
> > 3800, but I am greatly intrigued at the idea of the increased gamut  
> > if I buy the Vivid inks. Of course, buying the system and then  
> > immediately shelling out another $400-to whatever for profiling is  
> > a bit of a puzzler. In short, is going for the Vivid colors worth it?
> > > > Does anybody have any experience or information about use of  
> > the Vivid inks (designed for the 3880) on a 3800? Any information  
> > would be greatly appreciated.
> > > > Thanks In Advance
> > > > doggo
> > > >
> > >
> >
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