Digital BW, The Print

Hey, did any of you guys/gals make it over to the Large Format Photo 
Negatives gallery wall in the HP booth at PhotoPlus Expo/NYC recently? I think it 
came off pretty well. Of course, I designed it :) But there was always a 
crowd around both the 30x40" digital neg and the platinum print of Marilyn 
Monroe by Elliott Erwitt. That big platinum print just glowed!

I met several old-school platinum printmakers who were fascinated by the 
process. Should be available for the Z3100 soon (in addition to Z3200 
already).

I've got a Step-by-Step PDF (the one that was on the wall) if anyone wants 
one. Just email me at: Johnson.Harald@....

Harald


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Harold, How many of those printers had made 30x40 prints? Was their wow
being made because a 30x40 is just hard to do or that the neg was well made?


 

Eric Neilsen

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Dallas, TX 75226

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Subject: [Digital BW] Digital Platinum at PPE

 

  

Hey, did any of you guys/gals make it over to the Large Format Photo 
Negatives gallery wall in the HP booth at PhotoPlus Expo/NYC recently? I
think it 
came off pretty well. Of course, I designed it :) But there was always a 
crowd around both the 30x40" digital neg and the platinum print of Marilyn 
Monroe by Elliott Erwitt. That big platinum print just glowed!

I met several old-school platinum printmakers who were fascinated by the 
process. Should be available for the Z3100 soon (in addition to Z3200 
already).

I've got a Step-by-Step PDF (the one that was on the wall) if anyone wants 
one. Just email me at: Johnson.Harald@...
<mailto:Johnson.Harald%40gmail.com> .

Harald

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Harald:
Be interesting to know how the prints made with digital inter negatives, compared with those made using regular photo negatives? Have you seen any comparisons? 

Reason I ask, obviously making 10 offs from an original neg is not a problem, but you start making larger runs, and you risk damaging the original negative. This would obviously be a good technique to use in this type of situation, as well as for making a Platinum/Paladium print larger than the original neg size.

John Nollendorfs

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, hjswim2@... wrote:

>
> Hey, did any of you guys/gals make it over to the Large Format Photo 
> Negatives gallery wall in the HP booth at PhotoPlus Expo/NYC recently? I think it 
> came off pretty well. Of course, I designed it :) But there was always a 
> crowd around both the 30x40" digital neg and the platinum print of Marilyn 
> Monroe by Elliott Erwitt. That big platinum print just glowed!
> 
> I met several old-school platinum printmakers who were fascinated by the 
> process. Should be available for the Z3100 soon (in addition to Z3200 
> already).
> 
> I've got a Step-by-Step PDF (the one that was on the wall) if anyone wants 
> one. Just email me at: Johnson.Harald@...
> 
> Harald
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

John, Making platinum prints bigger than original negatives is easy enough
with the older films that we had. With the loss of Kodak's 4125 in large
sheets, the available quality films took a big hit. Several lesser film were
around , but most just didn't come close. Multi prints with traditional negs
was never much of an issue. In fact only once in my years of printing did I
see an issue.  New digital negs are much more fragile than a standard silver
neg. 

 

Eric Neilsen

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

 

www.ericneilsenphotography.com

skype me with ejprinter

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Let's Talk Photography

 

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Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 2:59 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Digital Platinum at PPE

 

  

Harald:
Be interesting to know how the prints made with digital inter negatives,
compared with those made using regular photo negatives? Have you seen any
comparisons? 

Reason I ask, obviously making 10 offs from an original neg is not a
problem, but you start making larger runs, and you risk damaging the
original negative. This would obviously be a good technique to use in this
type of situation, as well as for making a Platinum/Paladium print larger
than the original neg size.

John Nollendorfs

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> , hjswim2@... wrote:
>
> Hey, did any of you guys/gals make it over to the Large Format Photo 
> Negatives gallery wall in the HP booth at PhotoPlus Expo/NYC recently? I
think it 
> came off pretty well. Of course, I designed it :) But there was always a 
> crowd around both the 30x40" digital neg and the platinum print of Marilyn

> Monroe by Elliott Erwitt. That big platinum print just glowed!
> 
> I met several old-school platinum printmakers who were fascinated by the 
> process. Should be available for the Z3100 soon (in addition to Z3200 
> already).
> 
> I've got a Step-by-Step PDF (the one that was on the wall) if anyone wants

> one. Just email me at: Johnson.Harald@...
> 
> Harald
> 
> 
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>





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(I'm on Digest mode)

Eric: < Harold, How many of those printers had made 30x40 prints? Was their 
wow
being made because a 30x40 is just hard to do or that the neg was well 
made? >

I think both. Interestingly, Erwitt himself had never made a large platinum 
print; he was amazed. (Others like Dan Burkholder have been making large 
digital negs since 1991.) But what I'm hearing is that this is another step up 
in both quality and workflow for large-scale platinum.

> John: < Be interesting to know how the prints made with digital inter 
> negatives, compared with those made using regular photo negatives? Have you 
> seen any comparisons?
> 
No. It's only what I'm hearing from those who have done this. I, 
personally, have never made a platinum print, either traditionally or with the newer 
hybrid digital-traditional systems.
> 
> < Reason I ask, obviously making 10 offs from an original neg is not a 
> problem, but you start making larger runs, and you risk damaging the original 
> negative. This would obviously be a good technique to use in this type of 
> situation, as well as for making a Platinum/Paladium print larger than the 
> original neg size.
> 
Correct. There's a growing idea that having a "digital archive negative" 
might be a smart idea. Kinda of a back-up in case everything else gets ruined. 
Of course, you're stuck with that size.

Harald


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Going from a 8x10 to even 16x20 is not that hard, but going to a 30x40 doe
stake a bit of practice and the known R&D time to coat a bigger piece of
paper. Heck even getting bigger pieces of paper that has no flaws in it can
get to be a pain. 

 

 

Eric Neilsen

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

214-827-8301

 

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www.ericneilsenphotography.com

SKYPE ejprinter

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Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Digital Platinum at PPE

 

  

(I'm on Digest mode)

Eric: < Harold, How many of those printers had made 30x40 prints? Was their 
wow
being made because a 30x40 is just hard to do or that the neg was well 
made? >

I think both. Interestingly, Erwitt himself had never made a large platinum 
print; he was amazed. (Others like Dan Burkholder have been making large 
digital negs since 1991.) But what I'm hearing is that this is another step
up 
in both quality and workflow for large-scale platinum.

> John: < Be interesting to know how the prints made with digital inter 
> negatives, compared with those made using regular photo negatives? Have
you 
> seen any comparisons?
> 
No. It's only what I'm hearing from those who have done this. I, 
personally, have never made a platinum print, either traditionally or with
the newer 
hybrid digital-traditional systems.
> 
> < Reason I ask, obviously making 10 offs from an original neg is not a 
> problem, but you start making larger runs, and you risk damaging the
original 
> negative. This would obviously be a good technique to use in this type of 
> situation, as well as for making a Platinum/Paladium print larger than the

> original neg size.
> 
Correct. There's a growing idea that having a "digital archive negative" 
might be a smart idea. Kinda of a back-up in case everything else gets
ruined. 
Of course, you're stuck with that size.

Harald

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> Eric: < Going from a 8x10 to even 16x20 is not that hard, but going to a 
> 30x40 doe
> stake a bit of practice and the known R&D time to coat a bigger piece of
> paper. Heck even getting bigger pieces of paper that has no flaws in it 
> can
> get to be a pain. >
> 
Yeah. I was there in NYC in the studios of Gabe Greenberg (Greenberg 
Editions) and Arkady Lvov (Platinum Editions) watching and observing (and 
documenting) the process of making the Elliott Erwitt platinums (4 images). While 
the production of the large digital negative is pretty straight forward 
(Greenberg did this), the making of the 30x40 contact prints was like stepping 
into time warp. I watched Arkady Lvov carefully as he went through each step of 
the process, from mixing the plat/pall salts, to meticulously spreading and 
brushing the solution onto the Arches Platine paper. You could tell he had 
done this many, many times. (you can see part of this in the short video I 
made)

It seemed to me (and Arkady acknowledged) that the limiting factor (other 
than skill) was the size of the vacuum frame for making the contact exposure. 
Arkady had an old 30x40 frame powered by an antique Russian compressor. So 
he could only make up to 30x40 or so. But that seemed big enough. 

Harald 


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