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ABW profiles aren't linearized… what changed?

ABW profiles aren't linearized… what changed?

2011-12-17 by CelluloidPhotography

Ok this is driving me crazy here, I'm past the point of caring about asking a stupid question.

I'm running an 11880 and until now I really haven't used ABW mode all that much, the majority of my b/w work has been done on a K7 9600.  I have built a few ABW profiles here and there, and they've worked reasonably well, so I haven't given it much thought.
However, after recently upgrading to snow leopard, something's amiss in ABW town.  I use Photoshop CS5 for image editing, but kept CS3 just for this reason. However, when I tried my old settings for creating an ABW profile, it was way off.  I downloaded Jon Cone's linearization checker, and sure enough, I'm definitely not linear.  It makes me wonder if my ABW profiles ever were...  I guess I foolishly assumed that as long as I was getting decent results, they must be.  Needless to say, I'm excited to have found a way to precisely confirm linearization, the numbers don't lie!  Don't ask why I didn't just make a chart in excel before... 
So I've been messing around with this all week, and I'm to the point of analysis paralysis- I've tried every combination of workaround and setting I could think of, and I still can't get one ABW profile that falls within the acceptable range for a proper linearization.  I'm sure I'm missing something stupid, so I figured it's time to run this by some other people.  Here's what I'm doing:
I kept the most recent printer driver that still allowed you to use profiles with ABW mode.  I'm running snow leopard in 64-bit with CS3 & CS5 installed.  Out of CS3 I print the 21x4 chart that comes with QTR, leaving it untagged.  I set the printer to no color management, neutral, dark.  I read the results with  measuretool and drop the generated file on the create icc app.  At this point I load the LAB values from the "out" file into Jon's linearization checker just to see where I am.  And maybe I'm getting screwed up from QTR here, but I don't expect it to be perfect at this point.  I thought the true test was to print another chart, this time with the profile.  I leave it untagged still, and send it with the new profile, using perceptual.  I drop the readings from the new chart onto the linearize app, so it can average the 4 measurements, then I load the LAB values from the out file into the linearization checker.  The results show a nice smooth curve, but it's way too light.  After trying every variable with this method that I could think of, I started trying some of the workarounds for CS4/5, even though you're not supposed to need them for CS3.  Some of those results were closer to linear, but always looked like one S curve or another.
So am I making some simple mistake that's throwing the whole thing off?  Am I misunderstanding this tool for checking linearization?  Is the new OS/software combination working against me?  Or is it not even possible to get a perfectly linear ABW profile without using an .acv?
My poor old spectroscan has had a serious workout this week…

Any input would be most appreciated!
Thanks

Re: [Digital BW] ABW profiles aren't line arized what changed?

2011-12-17 by Mark Savoia

I don't have an answer for your question but what/where is Jon Cone's linearization checker file?

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Dec 17, 2011, at 3:39 AM, CelluloidPhotography wrote:

> I downloaded Jon Cone's linearization checker



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RE: [Digital BW] ABW profiles aren't linearized what ch anged?

2011-12-17 by Eric Edmondson

It's a nifty spreadsheet he created, you can find it here:
http://www.piezography.com/PiezoPress/blog/piezography-k7-inks-and-curves/ch
ecking-your-linearization/

 

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I don't have an answer for your question but what/where is Jon Cone's
linearization checker file?

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Dec 17, 2011, at 3:39 AM, CelluloidPhotography wrote:

> I downloaded Jon Cone's linearization checker

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Re: [Digital BW] ABW profiles aren't linearized what changed?

2011-12-18 by Ernst Dinkla

On 12/17/2011 06:45 PM, Eric Edmondson wrote:
> It's a nifty spreadsheet he created, you can find it here:
> http://www.piezography.com/PiezoPress/blog/piezography-k7-inks-and-curves/ch
> ecking-your-linearization/

Using it for a year maybe and made a (rudimentary) 17 step version of it 
to suit Qimage's curve building.

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RE: [Digital BW] ABW profiles aren't linearized what changed?

2011-12-19 by Eric Edmondson

So now I'm starting to wonder if there's something else going on, because even when trying to print my targets out of CS5, I'm still not getting linear profiles.  Could having both CS3 & CS5 installed be causing it to print through the old print path or something?  I know updating the driver won't help, since the newest one takes away the ability to use ABW profiles.  Maybe I need to remove and re-add the printer...Anyone mind posting their workaround for CS5 on snow leopard?  What I'm doing clearly isn't getting it.
Thanks!

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      On 12/17/2011 06:45 PM, Eric Edmondson wrote:

> It's a nifty spreadsheet he created, you can find it here:

> http://www.piezography.com/PiezoPress/blog/piezography-k7-inks-and-curves/ch

> ecking-your-linearization/



Using it for a year maybe and made a (rudimentary) 17 step version of it 

to suit Qimage's curve building.



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http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm



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