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2012-03-26 by chen.benedict
Hi all I was wondering is there an easy way to make digital negatives with eboni 6 on 1400 and possible 9890 in the future By QTR? I asking so as to access my printing options cheers
2012-03-26 by Globe Trotteur
When I make digital Negatives, I use cheap dye ink from china in my 2200. Does not clog and is very bright. I do not care about the longivity of the neg. If i need to do a reprint in my darkroom down the road, i can always re generate the digital negative.Anyway, i also use colored ink to find the correct combination to block the light.I guess you could make digineg with ebony 6 but i do not think it is what the ink is intended to be used for.My 0.02P To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
From: benedictchen22@...
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:54:09 +0000
Subject: [Digital BW] Eboni 6 + Digital negative for Silver Gelatin/ Alt processes
Hi all
I was wondering is there an easy way to make digital negatives with eboni 6 on 1400 and possible 9890 in the future
By QTR?
I asking so as to access my printing options
cheers
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2012-03-26 by E.Neilsen
Just use the ABW out put and make yourself a good sepia looking neg. It prints like a pyro neg and allows for additional contrast adjustments in the darkroom with multi grade or prints fine on a graded paper as well. Work in 16 bit and finest print mode. Eric Neilsen Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 www.ericneilsenphotography.com skype me with ejprinter Let's Talk Photography _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chen.benedict Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 9:54 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Eboni 6 + Digital negative for Silver Gelatin/ Alt processes Hi all I was wondering is there an easy way to make digital negatives with eboni 6 on 1400 and possible 9890 in the future By QTR? I asking so as to access my printing options cheers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-03-26 by Paul
"chen.benedict" <benedictchen22@...> wrote: > > I was wondering is there an easy way to make digital negatives with eboni 6 on 1400 and possible 9890 in the future > > By QTR? I don't make digital negatives any more. However, my gut reaction is that you'd want a glossy-compatible ink. As such, the MIS glossy carbons would be better than Eboni, which is strictly matte paper compatible. My experience with the film-type Pictorico substrates is that they scratch very easily even with glossy-compatible pigments. Since dyes have been used so often for these types of negatives, this has made me wonder if the Noritsu dyes systems I'm working with might be appropriate. Since the dyes soak into the coating, the dye prints are much less prone to rub off. If you'd like to test it, let me know. I have Pictorico Pro Hi-Gloss White Film and can try some of that. I don't know what density you'd need. I can probably only measure reflective density with the DataColor/ColorVision Spyder 3 I use. Actually, I'm going to start testing the Pictorico and other substrates for a different purpose. I'm going to make some "stain glass" B&W images for the panels of a segmented glass door. I'll be testing both the dyes and MIS glossy carbons for that purpose. I may need a clear film for that. Any suggestions? Paul www.PaulRoark.com
2012-03-27 by chen.benedict
Thanks Paul, I was planning to work in color in the future and color gum bichromate i believe would give the colors I want. when that comes I think I'll flush the machine and use cone color inks instead. Anyway this is a long way ahead of me. Regarding on printing on glass I was wondering could your image be printed on a single sheet of film or multiples suppose an A2 size image divided into four and printed on A4 instead. I'm asking this question as large format printers are expensive more so in Asia a big investment. so if its possible to print on 4 smaller size film to form a larger print would be interesting option. Again, I never entered a darkroom so this might be an obviously foolish question. What I know is from just reading books and the web. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@...> wrote:
> > "chen.benedict" <benedictchen22@> wrote: > > > > > I was wondering is there an easy way to make digital negatives with eboni 6 on 1400 and possible 9890 in the future > > > > By QTR? > > > I don't make digital negatives any more. However, my gut reaction is that you'd want a glossy-compatible ink. As such, the MIS glossy carbons would be better than Eboni, which is strictly matte paper compatible. > > My experience with the film-type Pictorico substrates is that they scratch very easily even with glossy-compatible pigments. > > Since dyes have been used so often for these types of negatives, this has made me wonder if the Noritsu dyes systems I'm working with might be appropriate. Since the dyes soak into the coating, the dye prints are much less prone to rub off. If you'd like to test it, let me know. I have Pictorico Pro Hi-Gloss White Film and can try some of that. I don't know what density you'd need. I can probably only measure reflective density with the DataColor/ColorVision Spyder 3 I use. > > Actually, I'm going to start testing the Pictorico and other substrates for a different purpose. I'm going to make some "stain glass" B&W images for the panels of a segmented glass door. I'll be testing both the dyes and MIS glossy carbons for that purpose. I may need a clear film for that. Any suggestions? > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com >
2012-03-27 by ebenostby
I have used both Eboni and dye-based inks for digital negatives on my 1400. Eboni makes negatives that block UV very well but they are very very fragile - it's very easy to ruin the negative by touching it. Therefore I switched to color dyebased inks (I use the MIS dyes, but of course stock Epson dyes are great, too). I find that my results with these are great - I can get great negatives plus they are very robust. They are very resistant to damage from contact. I think it's a better option. I use QTR for my negatives. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "chen.benedict" <benedictchen22@...> wrote:
> > Hi all > > I was wondering is there an easy way to make digital negatives with eboni 6 on 1400 and possible 9890 in the future > > By QTR? > > I asking so as to access my printing options > > cheers >
2012-03-27 by Paul
"ebenostby" <efo@...> wrote: > > ...for digital negatives on my 1400. > ... I switched to color dyebased inks ... Is the color important for blocking the light spectrum you're using? If so, which one? The dye's I use are either very mostly black or gray, with yellow being the only high gamut ink. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
2012-03-28 by ebenostby
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@...> wrote: > > "ebenostby" <efo@> wrote: > > > > ...for digital negatives on my 1400. > > ... I switched to color dyebased inks ... > > Is the color important for blocking the light spectrum you're using? If so, which one? The dye's I use are either very mostly black or gray, with yellow being the only high gamut ink. > > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > The color does matter, but black is usually a good UV blocker. My secondary colors are cyan and magenta, but I've seen people use cyan and yellow instead. I'm pretty sure you could do good digital negatives with black, gray, and yellow.
2012-03-29 by E.Neilsen
The color most importantly, does matter. Different colors block UV differently. And if one wants to make a negative to print silver gelatin images, the paper or coated material in most cases, or many cases, will also be sensitive to different colors - MULTI GRADE printing is based on that fact. So, use of certain colors could make impacts where one doesn't want them. Yellow is a flat color in multi grade printing, too much yellow in a highlight and you might get gray with no definition. one can make a negative using ONLY red/orange. Eric Neilsen Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 www.ericneilsenphotography.com skype me with ejprinter Let's Talk Photography _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ebenostby Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 12:28 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Eboni 6 + Digital negative for Silver Gelatin/ Alt processes --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> , "Paul" <roark.paul@...> wrote: > > "ebenostby" <efo@> wrote: > > > > ...for digital negatives on my 1400. > > ... I switched to color dyebased inks ... > > Is the color important for blocking the light spectrum you're using? If so, which one? The dye's I use are either very mostly black or gray, with yellow being the only high gamut ink. > > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > The color does matter, but black is usually a good UV blocker. My secondary colors are cyan and magenta, but I've seen people use cyan and yellow instead. I'm pretty sure you could do good digital negatives with black, gray, and yellow. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]