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2012-04-11 by davidkachel
Apparently some imbecile somewhere in the line between the factory and Jerry's Artarama has decided that it would be a good idea to stick an adhesive bar code label on every single sheet of this paper. Any one else have any of this stuff or know where the problem originates? dk
2012-04-11 by Paul
Dick Blick is the best place to buy "stickerless" Arches. Paul www.PaulRoark.com --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "davidkachel" <david@...> wrote:
> > Apparently some imbecile somewhere in the line between the factory and Jerry's Artarama has decided that it would be a good idea to stick an adhesive bar code label on every single sheet of this paper. > Any one else have any of this stuff or know where the problem originates? > > dk >
2012-04-11 by David Kachel
From: Paul <roark.paul@...> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:43:00 -0000 To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Adhesive stickers on Arches Hot Press >>> Dick Blick is the best place to buy "stickerless" Arches. Just got off the phone with these a******s. They claim no one ever complained about the stickers before!!! They tried to tell me they can't replace the paper because the price has gone up since I ordered it so they would take a loss. David Kachel ___________________ Artist-Photographer Fine B&W Photographs www.davidkachel.com david@... Gallery: www.reddoorfinephotographs.com director@... PO Box 1893 Alpine, TX 79831 (432) 386-5787 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-04-11 by mrjimbo
What a totally incredible response from them. WOW Kinda stupid.. Jerrys Artarama??? right.. the cheap guy right? ..Well did he loose a customer? jimbo
----- Original Message -----
From: David Kachel
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Adhesive stickers on Arches Hot Press
From: Paul <roark.paul@...>
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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:43:00 -0000
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Adhesive stickers on Arches Hot Press
>>> Dick Blick is the best place to buy "stickerless" Arches.
Just got off the phone with these a******s.
They claim no one ever complained about the stickers before!!!
They tried to tell me they can't replace the paper because the price has
gone up since I ordered it so they would take a loss.
David Kachel
___________________
Artist-Photographer
Fine B&W Photographs
www.davidkachel.com
david@...
Gallery:
www.reddoorfinephotographs.com
director@...
PO Box 1893
Alpine, TX 79831
(432) 386-5787
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2012-04-11 by David Kachel
From: mrjimbo <mrjimbo@...> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:54:37 -0600 To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Adhesive stickers on Arches Hot Press >>> What a totally incredible response from them. WOW Kinda stupid.. Jerrys Artarama??? right.. the cheap guy right? ..Well did he loose a customer? Absolutely. Even if they make this right, I won't ever trust them again. They already cheated me once before on some trash Chinese frames. David Kachel ___________________ Artist-Photographer Fine B&W Photographs www.davidkachel.com david@... Gallery: www.reddoorfinephotographs.com director@... PO Box 1893 Alpine, TX 79831 (432) 386-5787 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-04-11 by Paul
David Kachel <david@...> wrote: > Just got off the phone with these [Jerry's] a******s. > They claim no one ever complained about the stickers before!!! > They tried to tell me they can't replace the paper because > the price has gone up since I ordered it so they would take a loss. I have seen the stickers on Arches from some other outlets also. So, you have to be careful. I've never seen it on Dick Blick's stock, however. Have you noticed how little difference in brightness there is between the standard Arches and the "Bright" (still no OBAs)? I'm not sure anyone would see the difference. The painters I respect the most in my various art groups almost always come back to Arches as being the best (and it's cheaper than good inkjet paper). It can't, of course, match the smoothness of a coated inkjet paper, but for large sizes on the wall, it looks good. Likewise the dmax is not up to the best coated papers, but it's better than some inkjet art papers, and, again, fine for its intended use. I like that it comes in sheets. The "full sheet" is likely to become my standard for that size print. Large sheets of the inkjet papers I prefer are not always easy to find, and I don't particularly like to deal with rolls. Arches makes "elephant" sizes, but shipping, damage, and availability make it not as attractive. Arches rolls appear to be the route I'll take to 24 x 51" panoramas. I believe a dry mount press will flatten the internally gelatin sized paper. I have not tried this yet, but going to a sheet feed for even these types of prints is my hope. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
2012-04-11 by David Kachel
From: Paul <roark.paul@...> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:40:38 -0000 To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Adhesive stickers on Arches Hot Press >>> The painters I respect the most in my various art groups almost always come back to Arches as being the best (and it's cheaper than good inkjet paper). It can't, of course, match the smoothness of a coated inkjet paper, but for large sizes on the wall, it looks good. Likewise the dmax is not up to the best coated papers, but it's better than some inkjet art papers, and, again, fine for its intended use. I realized long ago that brightness and dmax don't really mean all that much, especially dmax. Arches is not very bright and can't get all that black, but the prints are just richer and have more depth than the coated, pricey papers I have tried and I have spent a small FORTUNE trying them. I have also found one other paper that simply glows from within, but I am keeping that little jewel to myself!! ;-) Jerry's has agreed to replace 40 of the 50 defective sheets. They will talk to the distributor about the rest. This thread and never buying from them again are my revenge! Also, Jerry's claims that prices on Arches have doubled in the last several months. Can anyone confirm this? David Kachel ___________________ Artist-Photographer Fine B&W Photographs www.davidkachel.com david@... Gallery: www.reddoorfinephotographs.com director@... PO Box 1893 Alpine, TX 79831 (432) 386-5787 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-04-11 by Paul
David Kachel <david@...> wrote: > > > ... Jerry's claims that prices on Arches have doubled ... The prices at Dick Blick are actually a bit lower than they were the last time I checked. A full sheet (22 x 30 inches) if bought in a quantity of 10 is less than $5. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
2012-04-11 by David Kachel
From: Paul <roark.paul@...> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:45:07 -0000 To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Adhesive stickers on Arches Hot Press >>> The prices at Dick Blick are actually a bit lower than they were the last time I checked. A full sheet (22 x 30 inches) if bought in a quantity of 10 is less than $5. Yet another reason to dump good 'ole Jerry! David Kachel ___________________ Artist-Photographer Fine B&W Photographs www.davidkachel.com david@... Gallery: www.reddoorfinephotographs.com director@... PO Box 1893 Alpine, TX 79831 (432) 386-5787 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-04-12 by faeofavalon
Utrecht puts stickers on as well but they come off pretty easily. AnnMarie --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "davidkachel" <david@...> wrote:
> > Apparently some imbecile somewhere in the line between the factory and Jerry's Artarama has decided that it would be a good idea to stick an adhesive bar code label on every single sheet of this paper. > Any one else have any of this stuff or know where the problem originates? > > dk >
2012-04-12 by Bert
David, I always buy my Arches 140# cold press 100 at a time. That way they come packaged by Arches in bags of 25. Then I do a custom printer profile which will hold for the batch. I am guessing there would not be any stickers when it comes from the factory. The last time I ordered I paid $3.60 per sheet. Cheap Joe's has them on their website today for $3.80 per sheet in lots of 100. Sometimes I can print on Arches and it looks wonderful and other images do not look good at all. I generally print on Hahnemuhle Photo Rag. Aw, come on, tell us what this glow within paper is. If you like Photo Rag I can tell you how to get Photo Rag in giant sheets for half the cost per square foot of smaller sheets. And guaranteed no damaged corners. Just an idea. BertGF www.cameraflora.com --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, David Kachel <david@...> wrote:
> > > > From: Paul <roark.paul@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:40:38 -0000 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Adhesive stickers on Arches Hot Press > > >>> The painters I respect the most in my various art groups almost always come > back to Arches as being the best (and it's cheaper than good inkjet paper). It > can't, of course, match the smoothness of a coated inkjet paper, but for large > sizes on the wall, it looks good. Likewise the dmax is not up to the best coated > papers, but it's better than some inkjet art papers, and, again, fine for its > intended use. > > I realized long ago that brightness and dmax don't really mean all that > much, especially dmax. Arches is not very bright and can't get all that > black, but the prints are just richer and have more depth than the coated, > pricey papers I have tried and I have spent a small FORTUNE trying them. I > have also found one other paper that simply glows from within, but I am > keeping that little jewel to myself!! ;-) > > Jerry's has agreed to replace 40 of the 50 defective sheets. They will talk > to the distributor about the rest. This thread and never buying from them > again are my revenge! > > Also, Jerry's claims that prices on Arches have doubled in the last several > months. Can anyone confirm this? > > David Kachel > > ___________________ > > Artist-Photographer > Fine B&W Photographs > > www.davidkachel.com > david@... > > Gallery: > www.reddoorfinephotographs.com > director@... > > PO Box 1893 > Alpine, TX 79831 > (432) 386-5787 > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2012-04-12 by David Kachel
From: faeofavalon <faeofavalon@...> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:49:53 -0000 To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Adhesive stickers on Arches Hot Press >>> Utrecht puts stickers on as well but they come off pretty easily. That may be so, but whatever chemicals leached from the sticker adhesive into the paper while it was there, is not coming off/out. David Kachel ___________________ Artist-Photographer Fine B&W Photographs www.davidkachel.com david@... Gallery: www.reddoorfinephotographs.com director@... PO Box 1893 Alpine, TX 79831 (432) 386-5787 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-04-12 by Gary Brown
From: David Kachel
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:55 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Adhesive stickers on Arches Hot Press <“I realized long ago that brightness and dmax don't really mean all that <much, especially dmax. Arches is not very bright and can't get all that <black, but the prints are just richer and have more depth than the coated, <pricey papers I have tried and I have spent a small FORTUNE trying them. I <have also found one other paper that simply glows from within, but I am <keeping that little jewel to myself!! ;-)” “but I am keeping that little jewel to myself” Really....... I thought this forum was about sharing, maybe you should stop asking the forum to share their jewels of information with you. Gary [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-04-12 by David Kachel
From: Gary Brown <baffin@...> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 06:05:04 -0700 To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Adhesive stickers on Arches Hot Press Really....... I thought this forum was about sharing, maybe you should stop asking the forum to share their jewels of information with you. Go to my web site: davidkachel.com Go to the history page. Take a look at what I spent tens of thousands of dollars and nearly two decades in research and development, then gave to the photography world free of charge. Then come back and make that accusation again. David Kachel ___________________ Artist-Photographer Fine B&W Photographs www.davidkachel.com david@... Gallery: www.reddoorfinephotographs.com director@... PO Box 1893 Alpine, TX 79831 (432) 386-5787 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-04-12 by faeofavalon
Utrecht has 140lb Cold Press 22x30 sheets for $37.50 a 10 pack :) AnnMarie --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, David Kachel <david@...> wrote:
> > > > From: Paul <roark.paul@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:45:07 -0000 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Adhesive stickers on Arches Hot Press > > >>> The prices at Dick Blick are actually a bit lower than they were the last > time I checked. A full sheet (22 x 30 inches) if bought in a quantity of 10 is > less than $5. > > Yet another reason to dump good 'ole Jerry! > > David Kachel > > ___________________ > > Artist-Photographer > Fine B&W Photographs > > www.davidkachel.com > david@... > > Gallery: > www.reddoorfinephotographs.com > director@... > > PO Box 1893 > Alpine, TX 79831 > (432) 386-5787 > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2012-04-13 by Paul
> Utrecht has 140lb Cold Press 22x30 sheets for $37.50 a 10 pack :) > > AnnMarie And no stickers? Paul www.PaulRoark.com
2012-04-13 by David Kachel
From: Paul <roark.paul@...> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 01:32:52 -0000 To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Adhesive stickers on Arches Hot Press - Utrecht >> Utrecht has 140lb Cold Press 22x30 sheets for $37.50 a 10 pack :) >> >> AnnMarie >And no stickers? The sticker problem I had was with Hot Press. All the cold press I have had came sans problems. Have you also seen cold press with stickers? David Kachel ___________________ Artist-Photographer Fine B&W Photographs www.davidkachel.com david@... Gallery: www.reddoorfinephotographs.com director@... PO Box 1893 Alpine, TX 79831 (432) 386-5787 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-04-13 by faeofavalon
Paul - I can find out and if so, ask them if there is a way to not have them on. I work for them so maybe they can make an exception... Maybe! Will find out ASAP! - AnnMarie --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m, "Paul" <roark.paul@...> wrote:
> > > > Utrecht has 140lb Cold Press 22x30 sheets for $37.50 a 10 pack :) > > > > AnnMarie > > And no stickers? > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com >
2012-04-24 by David Kachel
Thought you guys might like an update on this. Jerrys Artarama finally replaced the paper in question with paper also having stickers on it! They replaced defective paper with defective paper, and now they are digging their heels in. So it appears that Jerrys is no longer a viable source for Arches Hot Press (and who knows what other papers they will be adding stickers to). Does anyone have another source for Arches Hot Press without stickers? Jerrys claims it is the distributor Colart/Canson's who is doing this. If true then we will need sellers who buy their paper from someone other than Colart. David Kachel ___________________ Artist-Photographer Fine B&W Photographs www.davidkachel.com david@... Gallery: www.reddoorfinephotographs.com director@... PO Box 1893 Alpine, TX 79831 (432) 386-5787 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-04-24 by Paul
Have you called Dick Blick to see if they still have "stickerless" Arches HP? In the past they have been OK from that source. Paul www.PaulRoark.com --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, David Kachel <david@...> wrote:
> > Thought you guys might like an update on this. > Jerrys Artarama finally replaced the paper in question > with paper also having stickers on it! > > They replaced defective paper with defective paper, and now they are digging > their heels in. > > So it appears that Jerrys is no longer a viable source for Arches Hot Press > (and who knows what other papers they will be adding stickers to). > > Does anyone have another source for Arches Hot Press without stickers? > Jerrys claims it is the distributor Colart/Canson's who is doing this. If > true then we will need sellers who buy their paper from someone other than > Colart. > > > David Kachel > > ___________________ > > Artist-Photographer > Fine B&W Photographs > > www.davidkachel.com > david@... > > Gallery: > www.reddoorfinephotographs.com > director@... > > PO Box 1893 > Alpine, TX 79831 > (432) 386-5787 > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2012-04-24 by David Kachel
From: Paul <roark.paul@...> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:24:46 -0000 To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Adhesive stickers on Arches Hot Press >>> Have you called Dick Blick to see if they still have "stickerless" Arches HP? In the past they have been OK from that source. Actually, I have done better than that. Today I spoke directly with Cansons. Here is the real story ColArt/Cansons will package paper the way resellers want it. Its resellers who have insisted on the stickers. Exactly the opposite of what Jerrys told me. To buy 25 sheet packages without stickers, you want to request Cansons stock number 523-14. (That's 140lb Hot Press.) It turns out this is a case of retailers making their own lives easier while not giving a damn about the buyer. Cansons is blameless and were VERY pleasant to deal with; the exact opposite of Jerrys. I also called danielsmith.com today. Talked to a fellow named Colin. He too was the exact opposite of Jerrys. Very pleasant to deal with and most eager to be helpful. They have the stickerless paper, though apparently use their own stock number: 159-281-003. They sell the paper with stickers too, so be sure to be specific. David Kachel ___________________ Artist-Photographer Fine B&W Photographs www.davidkachel.com david@... Gallery: www.reddoorfinephotographs.com director@... PO Box 1893 Alpine, TX 79831 (432) 386-5787 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-04-25 by faeofavalon
Seems like you guys didn't get my last message. I work for Utrecht and corporate told me they would make sure the Arches paper doesn't have stickers on it for YOU. The price is also cheaper! Just send me an email and we can talk about shipping, etc. -AnnMarie --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, David Kachel <david@...> wrote:
> > From: Paul <roark.paul@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:24:46 -0000 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Adhesive stickers on Arches Hot Press > > >>> Have you called Dick Blick to see if they still have "stickerless" Arches > HP? In the past they have been OK from that source. > > Actually, I have done better than that. > Today I spoke directly with Cansons. > Here is the real story > > ColArt/Cansons will package paper the way resellers want it. Its resellers > who have insisted on the stickers. Exactly the opposite of what Jerrys told > me. > > To buy 25 sheet packages without stickers, you want to request Cansons stock > number 523-14. (That's 140lb Hot Press.) > > It turns out this is a case of retailers making their own lives easier while > not giving a damn about the buyer. Cansons is blameless and were VERY > pleasant to deal with; the exact opposite of Jerrys. > > I also called danielsmith.com today. Talked to a fellow named Colin. He too > was the exact opposite of Jerrys. Very pleasant to deal with and most eager > to be helpful. They have the stickerless paper, though apparently use their > own stock number: 159-281-003. They sell the paper with stickers too, so be > sure to be specific. > > > > David Kachel > > ___________________ > > Artist-Photographer > Fine B&W Photographs > > www.davidkachel.com > david@... > > Gallery: > www.reddoorfinephotographs.com > director@... > > PO Box 1893 > Alpine, TX 79831 > (432) 386-5787 > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2012-04-25 by David Kachel
From: faeofavalon <faeofavalon@...> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:36:59 -0000 To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Adhesive stickers on Arches Hot Press Seems like you guys didn't get my last message. I work for Utrecht and corporate told me they would make sure the Arches paper doesn't have stickers on it for YOU. The price is also cheaper! Just send me an email and we can talk about shipping, etc. I did miss that. Thanks. Please send me prices off list. David Kachel ___________________ Artist-Photographer Fine B&W Photographs www.davidkachel.com david@... Gallery: www.reddoorfinephotographs.com director@... PO Box 1893 Alpine, TX 79831 (432) 386-5787 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-05-22 by David Kachel
Thought you guys might like an update on Jerrys Artarama. I vowed not to do business with them again over the Arches barcode sticker debacle, but then discovered a $50 credit I had with them. I needed another type of paper and decided that one last order to use up that credit would be OK No such luck. They sent the right paper, right color, WRONG surface. They just tried to get out of exchanging it by implying I had given them the wrong stock number, as if I know their stock numbers. Then they tried to claim I gave the wrong description. Then they tried to tell me I had to pay return shipping. Even after I pointed them to my order history so they could see I had ordered this paper in the past and not what they sent, they still tried to weasel out of it. Don't do business with these people. David Kachel ___________________ Artist-Photographer Fine B&W Photographs www.davidkachel.com david@... Gallery: www.reddoorfinephotographs.com director@... PO Box 1893 Alpine, TX 79831 (432) 386-5787 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]