Re: [Digital BW] Digest Number 6921
2012-05-02 by Nick Enghardt
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Thanks, Nick Enghardt On Apr 27, 2012, at 5:19 AM, DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Digital BW, The Print > Messages In This Digest (11 Messages) > 1a. > Re: Need a Printer Recommendation From: nmenghardt > 1b. > Re: Need a Printer Recommendation From: richardeskin > 1c. > Re: Need a Printer Recommendation From: Bill Kennedy > 1d. > Re: Need a Printer Recommendation From: Ernst Dinkla > 2a. > Re: Silver Efex Pro 2 or Topaz B&W From: Bill > 3. > Create a WiFi network on your Mac, no router required From: C D Tobie > 4. > stickers on arches papers From: Yvonne Muller > 5a. > Image Reversed From: Avron > 5b. > Re: Image Reversed From: jim met > 6a. > Epson K3 Photo Black and LK From: Paul > 6b. > Re: Epson K3 Photo Black and LK From: Ernst Dinkla > View All Topics | Create New Topic > Messages > 1a. > Re: Need a Printer Recommendation > Posted by: "nmenghardt" nicholae@... nmenghardt > Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:19 am (PDT) > > > Our digital printing labs use the Epson 7800 - one with matte black ink and one with photo black ink (for glossy media). > > The Epson ultrachrome K3 inks are fantastic and the printers are reasonably priced. The print heads have a life span of about 5 to 10k prints, so it could last years longer than the Canon's. Also, the Epsons do not have an internal maintenance timer, only a counter, that would force you to get unnecessary maintenance done by a certified technician. > > If you ever do have to replace the print head, it's incredibly easy if you can find the manual. > > The color reproduction on these printers is top notch. Epson's profiles aren't bad, but if you're creating your own you can produce some absolutely stunning work on all types of media - our students push many types through the printers including paper, transparencies for digital negatives, and even aluminum sheets. > > We have 12 epsons in our program and I can't recommend them enough for the price. > > The ink catridges are about $80 each for 220ml, but you can find them online through many retailers for a few bucks less. > > If you are planning on letting the printer sit for 1-3 months at a time, i'd do one of the following: > > 1. weekly maintenance purge prints so that fresh inks get pushed through the lines every now and then. > > or. > > 2. purchase refillable cartridges through inkjet mall and also purchase a few 16oz bottles of piezoflush. If you're feeling adventurous, you could even try putting in distilled water or windex (i take no responsibility of the last 2 suggests go awry in any way. i've heard they work but have not tried them myself). > > If you have any questions regarding the epson printers, please let me know. > > Nick Enghardt > St. Edward's University > Humanities Mac Lab Coordinator and Advanced Imaging Lab Manager > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "LouisD" <lou@...> wrote: > > > > I need some advice from the group on a new large format printer. > > > > I've been using a Canon iPF6100 24" printer for the last 3 or 4 years and have been pleased with it for both color and B&W work. The weak point of this printer is the head life (less than 2 years, and at $500 each, and two heads per printer, it can get expensive. At least they are user replaceable). It never clogs, but when the heads go, they GO NOW! > > > > I want to buy a 24" (or possibly a 44") wide printer. I print much more color than B&W, so I want good gamut and Dmax. I plan to use the driver with custom color profiles, not a RIP. Ink costs are always a concern, and so are clogs. Low maintenance is HIGH on my list of priorities. > > > > My biggest problem is that I print only occasionally, usually in spurts, and sometimes I won't use my large format printer for 1–3 months at a time. I know that's begging for maintenance and head clogging problems. I guess I could farm out my larger work, but I lose control over the printing process, quality, etc., and as good as color management tools are, I still often like to print a 2nd or 3rd print to get exactly what I really want. > > > > I'd appreciate any printer suggestions. I am also open to other advise. > > > > I'd even consider a reliable used printer (workhorse) that will accept 3rd party inks. > > > > Thanks in advance for your suggestions! > > > > Lou Dina > > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (6) > 1b. > Re: Need a Printer Recommendation > Posted by: "richardeskin" richard.eskin@... richardeskin > Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:48 am (PDT) > > > Been thinking about this myself. Recent article in Digital PhotoPro: > > " The companies who have been most active in the professional printer market are Canon and Epson. HP makes some strong contenders, and several top professionals are especially attracted to their very large models, but over the past few years, HP seems to have chosen to put more efforts into other parts areas of its business. " > > From what I have read on various forums, HP has great print quality, doesn't have the head issues of Canon or the clog issues of Epson. They are initially somewhat more expensive, but seem to have relatively few maintenance issues. I have read mixed evaluations of their service. That said, if they aren't actively pursuing large format printing in the future, it could be a concern. Check out Luminous Landscape and Northlight for some comparisons. > > Good luck! > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "LouisD" <lou@...> wrote: > > > > I need some advice from the group on a new large format printer. > > > > I've been using a Canon iPF6100 24" printer for the last 3 or 4 years and have been pleased with it for both color and B&W work. The weak point of this printer is the head life (less than 2 years, and at $500 each, and two heads per printer, it can get expensive. At least they are user replaceable). It never clogs, but when the heads go, they GO NOW! > > > > I want to buy a 24" (or possibly a 44") wide printer. I print much more color than B&W, so I want good gamut and Dmax. I plan to use the driver with custom color profiles, not a RIP. Ink costs are always a concern, and so are clogs. Low maintenance is HIGH on my list of priorities. > > > > My biggest problem is that I print only occasionally, usually in spurts, and sometimes I won't use my large format printer for 1–3 months at a time. I know that's begging for maintenance and head clogging problems. I guess I could farm out my larger work, but I lose control over the printing process, quality, etc., and as good as color management tools are, I still often like to print a 2nd or 3rd print to get exactly what I really want. > > > > I'd appreciate any printer suggestions. I am also open to other advise. > > > > I'd even consider a reliable used printer (workhorse) that will accept 3rd party inks. > > > > Thanks in advance for your suggestions! > > > > Lou Dina > > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (6) > 1c. > Re: Need a Printer Recommendation > Posted by: "Bill Kennedy" BKPhoto@... bkphoto02 > Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:06 am (PDT) > > > As Nick pointed out in his earlier post, we've had excellent results over many years with an extensive Epson printer platform. > > I would add: at K2 Press we use both Epson and HP printers. Our HP Z3100 has on-board profiling, which is a very nice feature with the upgraded software. However, the paper loading issues with HP should not be trivialized. Had they opted for something like the Epson--basically, gravity feed and manual loading, which makes it possible to print letter size and on non-traditional media easily (including papers with a deckled edge)--I'd be a very happy camper. But they did not and it creates nothing but problems. > > Some papers, particular thicker or stiffer papers, either will not load at all or produce head strike problems with the HP. Basically, the engineering/design of the mechanism unfortunately limits the printer's usefulness. > > Bill Kennedy > Professor of Photocommunications > Area Coordinator > St. Edward's University > Austin, Texas USA > > K2 Press, Inc. > 2832 East MLK Blvd., Ste. 105 > Austin, Texas 78702 > > -----Original Message----- > From: richardeskin <richard.eskin@...> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thu, Apr 26, 2012 10:48 am > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Need a Printer Recommendation > > Been thinking about this myself. Recent article in Digital PhotoPro: > > " The companies who have been most active in the professional printer market are Canon and Epson. HP makes some strong contenders, and several top professionals are especially attracted to their very large models, but over the past few years, HP seems to have chosen to put more efforts into other parts areas of its business. " > > From what I have read on various forums, HP has great print quality, doesn't have the head issues of Canon or the clog issues of Epson. They are initially somewhat more expensive, but seem to have relatively few maintenance issues. I have read mixed evaluations of their service. That said, if they aren't actively pursuing large format printing in the future, it could be a concern. Check out Luminous Landscape and Northlight for some comparisons. > > Good luck! > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "LouisD" <lou@...> wrote: > > > > I need some advice from the group on a new large format printer. > > > > I've been using a Canon iPF6100 24" printer for the last 3 or 4 years and have been pleased with it for both color and B&W work. The weak point of this printer is the head life (less than 2 years, and at $500 each, and two heads per printer, it can get expensive. At least they are user replaceable). It never clogs, but when the heads go, they GO NOW! > > > > I want to buy a 24" (or possibly a 44") wide printer. I print much more color than B&W, so I want good gamut and Dmax. I plan to use the driver with custom color profiles, not a RIP. Ink costs are always a concern, and so are clogs. Low maintenance is HIGH on my list of priorities. > > > > My biggest problem is that I print only occasionally, usually in spurts, and sometimes I won't use my large format printer for 1–3 months at a time. I know that's begging for maintenance and head clogging problems. I guess I could farm out my larger work, but I lose control over the printing process, quality, etc., and as good as color management tools are, I still often like to print a 2nd or 3rd print to get exactly what I really want. > > > > I'd appreciate any printer suggestions. I am also open to other advise. > > > > I'd even consider a reliable used printer (workhorse) that will accept 3rd party inks. > > > > Thanks in advance for your suggestions! > > > > Lou Dina > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (6) > 1d. > Re: Need a Printer Recommendation > Posted by: "Ernst Dinkla" e.dinkla@... ernstdinkla > Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:05 pm (PDT) > > > On 04/26/2012 06:05 PM, Bill Kennedy wrote: > > > I would add: at K2 Press we use both Epson and HP printers. Our HP Z3100 > > has on-board profiling, which is a very nice feature with the upgraded > > software. However, the paper loading issues with HP should not be > > trivialized. Had they opted for something like the Epson--basically, > > gravity feed and manual loading, which makes it possible to print letter > > size and on non-traditional media easily (including papers with a > > deckled edge)--I'd be a very happy camper. But they did not and it > > creates nothing but problems. > > It depends. You have to get used to the Zs media loading and sure it is > not the easiest wide format on paper loading. That said I have printed > sheets of many sizes and between 50 and 400 grams. I have printed roll > media from 100 to 400 grams on cores 2 and 3" thick. The last meters > from a 2" core can create problems, there are cures for that. > > Of all the wide formats it may be best suited for intermittent jobs. The > carts are not to big to get too old and pricing for twin 130 ML carts of > the inks that are really used is competitive. Total of 6 heads will be > $400 but you only need to exchange one at a time. 8 years in total here > for two printers and only 4 heads replaced I think. There are 12 wipers > to clean 12 nozzle areas and clogs are no issue at all. I have made > access to the capping station easier so I can give them regular > maintenance and that pays off too. > > It is a champion for third party papers, calibration and profiling > integrated and I can have a good profile within an hour for a new paper. > The B&W quality on matte papers is one of the best for OEM wide formats. > For B&W gloss there are issues with gloss difference and bronzing. > > -- > Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst > > Dinkla Grafische Techniek > Quad, piëzografie, giclée > www.pigment-print.com > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (6) > 2a. > Re: Silver Efex Pro 2 or Topaz B&W > Posted by: "Bill" bill-lewis@... bill-lewis@... > Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:27 am (PDT) > > > A very good article I do see Silver Efex mentioned more than silver shadows which is seldom mentioned and has fallen from my list. In the process of watching Utube videos on Silver Efex I saw videos for Topaz B&W. It also looks to be a good product for much less than Silver Efex. > > Does anyone on the list use or have an opinion on Topaz B&W. This is one of several products from Topaz Labs that look similar to OnOne products. Needless to say the more I read and look the more confused I become I have Lightroom 4 and curently feel like I am standing in a pit at the base of the learning curve. I have watched a dozen or more videos on converting to B&W in Lightroom. I have just received Martin Evening's Lightroom 4 book and will look at what it has on B&W. > > So far the half dozen photos I converted in Lightroom are not what I would get from my darkroom. The blacks look black and the whites white but they seem to have too much in the midtones. This is my ability with the software and while I want to use lightroom properly for the immediate time I am looking for something that will assist in this so Silver Efex or Topaz B&W Silver Efex has an academic discount so for me retired and returning to College Classes the actual price is not that much more. I understand that Silver Efex will work stand alone or as a Photoshop plug-in while Topaz is only a plug-in. Probably either program would do more than I want but I am just trying to avoid buyers remorse. > > Bill Lewis > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (5) > 3. > Create a WiFi network on your Mac, no router required > Posted by: "C D Tobie" CDTobie@... cdtobie > Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:00 am (PDT) > > > Here is a tutorial on creating a WiFi network from your Mac, particularly a MacBook, with no router required. This is very handy when traveling, and is great for using with SpyderGallery. > > http://cdtobie.wordpress.com/2012/04/26/creating-a-wifi-network-on-your-mac-great-for-using-spydergallery/ > > C. David Tobie > Global Product Technology Manager > > Datacolor > 5 Princess Road > Lawrenceville, NJ 08648, USA > 609.924.2189 > www.datacolor.com > > Phone: 207.685.9248 > Mobile: 207.312.0448 > Fax: 207.685.4455 > Email: cdtobie@... > Skype: cdtobie > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (1) > 4. > stickers on arches papers > Posted by: "Yvonne Muller" bellvale@... yvonnerichie > Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:09 am (PDT) > > > Call NY Central Art Supply. They're all about good paper....last time I > checked, anyway, about five years ago. > Yvonne Muller > www.yvonnemuller.com > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (1) > 5a. > Image Reversed > Posted by: "Avron" goravr@comcast.net agordo55441 > Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:22 pm (PDT) > > > All of my images printed on my Epson 3800 are reversed. I am using CS5 and the Epson driver on an Mac. Can anyone tell me what setting in the Epson driver or in Photoshop to select to un-reverse? Thank you in advance for the ideas > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (2) > 5b. > Re: Image Reversed > Posted by: "jim met" crazyjim88s@... starphotom31 > Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:06 am (PDT) > > > avron-your post is somewhat unclear. by reversed, to you mean they are the > negative image of the positive? > > do the images look "reversed" on your monitor when viewed in photoshop > before you print? > > jim > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (2) > 6a. > Epson K3 Photo Black and LK > Posted by: "Paul" roark.paul@... pr_roark > Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:42 pm (PDT) > > > FWIW, the 7800 LK appears easy to make by diluting the Epson 7800 PK with the generic base at a 1:1 mix ratio. > > I was surprised that the PK to LK step was 1:1 as opposed to closer to 30% PK. I did not make an LLK dilution, which, again, is typically 30-33% LK, remainder clear base. > > The Epson 7800 PK and LK are more neutral than the MIS glossy carbon, but the Epson "gray" inks also appear to be blends that are more than just carbon pigments. The Epson MSDS for the ink says the PK has less than 3% carbon black and less than 5% "proprietary dyes and pigments." > > It would not nice if it were carbon only, but it appears not to be the case. Wilhelm makes reference to the "carbon based" black inks, but it appears carbon may not even be the primary pigment. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (2) > 6b. > Re: Epson K3 Photo Black and LK > Posted by: "Ernst Dinkla" e.dinkla@... ernstdinkla > Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:46 am (PDT) > > > On 04/27/2012 03:42 AM, Paul wrote: > > > I was surprised that the PK to LK step was 1:1 as opposed to closer to > > 30% PK. I did not make an LLK dilution, which, again, is typically > > 30-33% LK, remainder clear base. > > If you compared it to diluting HP PK, I always had the impression that > the HP PK and the other Vivera greys are quite dense compared to other > ink set grey inks. One of the reasons could be that the substitution of > CMY grey mixes with a heavier grey etc reduces ink lay down more. There > has to be a balance what is visually acceptable and best for the paper > coating but the Z3100 in total has hardly any composite greys in color > prints left and its droplets vary between 4 and 6 picoliter. Drying time > is fast, color stabilises fast and that is also desired for the internal > calibration + profiling if done in one run. > > -- > Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst > > Dinkla Grafische Techniek > Quad, piëzografie, giclée > www.pigment-print.com > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (2) > > RECENT ACTIVITY > 2 > New Members > Visit Your Group > Only on Yahoo! > World of Star Wars > Meet fans, watch > videos & more. ---------- > > Yahoo! Finance > It's Now Personal > Guides, news, > advice & more. ---------- > > Yahoo! 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