Digital BW, The Print

Charley,

Have to add my agreement to Jerry's. It's matte and art papers or RC type
plastic papers that don't look so good generally. If you have to have silver
fiber, use your Epson color inks to make chromogenic contact negatives as
described by Dan Burkholder and make a silver print.

Pigment quad inkjet prints are a different animal from silver fiber. Ink on
top of paper will never look like silver embedded in a clear gelatin.

If you can live with an more RC look try some of the dye quads like
Spectratone on the glossy paper. This is very similar to a silver RC print.

Martin Wesley

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Any paper that looks like good fiber-based
traditional stuff?


> Nope, nothing. Thousands of matte papers and watercolor papers out there,
but none that exactly replicates an air dried glossy.
>
> Jerry
>
> byronbulb wrote:
>
> > Hi guys :)
> >
> > I'm wondering if anyone's found a nice inkjet paper that looks and
> > feels like a fiber-based gloss or matte silver-gelatin paper.
> >
> > So far the closest I've found is the Pictorico premium glossy, but
> > it's really not very close - there must be something better, I'd
> > think. Any suggestions?
> >
(snip)

At 11:26 AM 3/6/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>Nope, nothing. Thousands of matte papers and watercolor papers out there,
but none that exactly replicates an air dried glossy.
>
>Jerry
>
>byronbulb wrote:
>
>> Hi guys :)
>>
>> I'm wondering if anyone's found a nice inkjet paper that looks and
>> feels like a fiber-based gloss or matte silver-gelatin paper.
>>
>> So far the closest I've found is the Pictorico premium glossy, but
>> it's really not very close - there must be something better, I'd
>> think. Any suggestions?
>>
>> -Charley
>>

Charley,

And then there are the pizza wheel tracks...  Try this and see what you
think.  I printed with MIS pig ink on cheapo Epson photo then waxed it with
ordinary paste wax. A few coats after the ink is real dry. It looked kind of
silver printish. I think it is worth further experiments. The trick is to
wipe it on so you don't get lap marks. I have no idea why anyone would want
an ink jet to look like a silver print :-)

AZ
Maker of Lookaround panoramic camera.

www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/8874/
         or
keyword.com lookaround

The trick is to
> wipe it on so you don't get lap marks. 

I've never tried this but an idea came to mind - if you run a bead of 
your wax just outside the picture area on one of the dimensions, then 
use a squeegee like you would for removing excess water after a 
regular silver print has washed, to spread the wax evenly across the 
face ? Maybe that'd give you an even spread ?

But I'm curious, doesn't the wax leave a powdery residue when it 
dries or feel sticky to the touch ? Seems like it may degrade rather 
than enhance a print ? No ? Just a question really.
frank

It's not the same as an air dried "F" suface but the Hawk Mtn Sharpwing 
is very photographic
looking with the Cone and the MIS quads they have very deep blacks on 
this paper.

J.Z.

Going back again to my knowledge of Flexographic printing, we use from time
to time a "Lacquer" on the last deck of the press if we need to have a
glossy look, or if we need to protect from scratches, ozone attack, etc...

To get an even lay-down of lacquer, why not use a second printer and
instead of the ink put lacquer in the cartridge (for ex. black cartridge)
and then print a picture that is 100% black on top of the paper already
printed with the picture you are trying to protect/enhance. You would need
a second printer, but it could be ANY inkjet printer (even 15 yrs old), dpi
would not matter, just amount of ink that is put down. That will give you a
very even and easy-to-use system to coat/protect/enhance pictures...

Only issue is finding the lacquer that will get through the printer without
clogging it. The lacquers we use are not available commercially, but I
might be worth it trying to find something. My guess is anything that does
not have big particles, has similar viscosity and dries slower than the
original ink should work...

Anybody tried this yet????

Maybe it's just random thoughts ;-)
Erik.


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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 14:53:48 -0000

   From: "frankg_photo" <frank@...>
Subject: Re: Any paper that looks like good fiber-based traditional  stuff?

The trick is to
> wipe it on so you don't get lap marks.

I've never tried this but an idea came to mind - if you run a bead of
your wax just outside the picture area on one of the dimensions, then
use a squeegee like you would for removing excess water after a
regular silver print has washed, to spread the wax evenly across the
face ? Maybe that'd give you an even spread ?

But I'm curious, doesn't the wax leave a powdery residue when it
dries or feel sticky to the touch ? Seems like it may degrade rather
than enhance a print ? No ? Just a question really.
frank