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scanning b/w negs vs converting color digital file to b/w

scanning b/w negs vs converting color digital file to b/w

2014-09-16 by paulmwhiting@...

I've been doing both and so far it's worked our rather well. I scan some of my old b/w negs, both 35mm and MF, and have been quite pleased with the results. Likewise, I convert my color digital photos to b/w using channels and can emulate different b/w filters. Am using PSE9, by the way. PSE9 doesn't have channels but am using the SmartCurve plug in.

But a friend asked for some prints made from a couple of 6x6 negs. No problem I thought, they're well exposed, good range of tones, clean. But the subject in both is a large corrugated roof, one shot a barn and one a quonset hut, both against a clear blue sky. Turns out the metallic grey is very close the gray of the sky and I didn't use a filter. I find it difficult to make a b/w print delineating these two areas.

Lesson learned - use filter when shooting b/w film - I got lazy. Had I converted a color digital file of those two scenes, I could have used channels R,G, and B to differentiate the greys. But these were shot BDE (Before Digital Era).

However, back to the present issue - anything I can do differentiate those greys in my b/w negatives? Maybe I'm overlooking something very simple.

Thanks all,

Paul


Re: [Digital BW] scanning b/w negs vs converting color digital file to b/w

2014-09-16 by mrjimbo2

Hey Paul,
Truth is some jobs are simply a challenge.. In the scenario I think your describing I typically scan in RGB as it slightly improves the ability to differentiate the tones then I use a mask to  separate the areas so that I can adjust each on appropriately.. I find that on critical images in both color and B&W images I make extensive use of masks these days to get where I want to go.. seems to work.. It seems rather timely but the more you do it the faster it gets..

jimbo
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  From: paulmwhiting@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] 
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  Subject: [Digital BW] scanning b/w negs vs converting color digital file to b/w


    
  I've been doing both and so far it's worked our rather well. I scan some of my old b/w negs, both 35mm and MF, and have been quite pleased with the results. Likewise, I convert my color digital photos to b/w using channels and can emulate different b/w filters. Am using PSE9, by the way. PSE9 doesn't have channels but am using the SmartCurve plug in.

  But a friend asked for some prints made from a couple of 6x6 negs. No problem I thought, they're well exposed, good range of tones, clean. But the subject in both is a large corrugated roof, one shot a barn and one a quonset hut, both against a clear blue sky. Turns out the metallic grey is very close the gray of the sky and I didn't use a filter. I find it difficult to make a b/w print delineating these two areas. 

  Lesson learned - use filter when shooting b/w film - I got lazy. Had I converted a color digital file of those two scenes, I could have used channels R,G, and B to differentiate the greys. But these were shot BDE (Before Digital Era).

  However, back to the present issue - anything I can do differentiate those greys in my b/w negatives? Maybe I'm overlooking something very simple.

  Thanks all,

  Paul






  
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Re: scanning b/w negs vs converting color digital file to b/w

2014-09-17 by lgrrrb@...

Jimbo is right. Think how you would have approached this problem printing in the wet darkroom. You would have burned one area or dodged the other to differentiate them. Same thing for digital but more precise.

Randall R Bresee
Fine Black and White Photography | Randall R Bresee Black & White Photography
The Poop On Pictures

Re: scanning b/w negs vs converting color digital file to b/w

2014-09-17 by paulmwhiting@...

Jimbo and Randall,

Thank you... and good analogy to the darkroom. I only have PS Elements but it's version 9 - that's when masks began to be included in Elements. I'll have to do some studying, which will add one more tool to my beginner's arsenal. Thanks for that lesson!

Paul

RE: [Digital BW] Re: scanning b/w negs vs converting color digital file to b/w

2014-09-17 by Elliot Puritz

Hi Paul:

 

Many of the analog crowd who are using digital in our work flow(s) are faced with similar issues as yours, i.e., the need to understand and learn some of the more arcane ( and dare I say daunting? ) features of Elements, LR, PS, etc., etc.  Consequently, you are hardly alone.  In addition, some of us are not as knowledgeable as others and hence computer editing can be off putting.

 

I have found that a simple way to learn some digital editing programs is to obtain a second monitor ( rather inexpensive now ) and set the new monitor next to your calibrated or "go to" monitor.  The second monitor need not be calibrated…read on!  Open the image to be edited on the calibrated monitor and decide upon the task to be accomplished.  In the current instance, masks.  Open the second monitor use your favorite search engine to find the task that you need to address, i.e., again layer masks.  You will find scores of videos and presentations that illustrate the solution or method on YouTube or similar.  Play the instructions on the second monitor, and execute them on a new layer on the image on the calibrated monitor.  Voila!  You have a personal instructor providing the steps needed!  Needless to say, be sure that you have saved the original image on your hard drive.  Within a very short period of time you will have become familiar and comfortable using PS, etc and you can begin to teach others…..:}

 

Seriously.  Not calculus…:}There is no longer the need to feel intimidated Paul.  Let me know if you would like to private message.

 

Elliot
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Subject: [Digital BW] Re: scanning b/w negs vs converting color digital file to b/w

 

  

Jimbo and Randall,

Thank you... and good analogy to the darkroom. I only have PS Elements but it's version 9 - that's when masks began to be included in Elements. I'll have to do some studying, which will add one more tool to my beginner's arsenal. Thanks for that lesson!

Paul

Re: [Digital BW] Re: scanning b/w negs vs converting color digital file to b/w

2014-09-17 by pdesmidt tds.net

Another plus is that you can use the second monitor to hold your tool palettes.
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On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 11:49 AM, 'Elliot Puritz' drpuritz@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Paul:

Many of the analog crowd who are using digital in our work flow(s) are faced with similar issues as yours, i.e., the need to understand and learn some of the more arcane ( and dare I say daunting? ) features of Elements, LR, PS, etc., etc. Consequently, you are hardly alone. In addition, some of us are not as knowledgeable as others and hence computer editing can be off putting.

I have found that a simple way to learn some digital editing programs is to obtain a second monitor ( rather inexpensive now ) and set the new monitor next to your calibrated or "go to" monitor. The second monitor need not be calibrated…read on! Open the image to be edited on the calibrated monitor and decide upon the task to be accomplished. In the current instance, masks. Open the second monitor use your favorite search engine to find the task that you need to address, i.e., again layer masks. You will find scores of videos and presentations that illustrate the solution or method on YouTube or similar. Play the instructions on the second monitor, and execute them on a new layer on the image on the calibrated monitor. Voila! You have a personal instructor providing the steps needed! Needless to say, be sure that you have saved the original image on your hard drive. Within a very short period of time you will have become familiar and comfortable using PS, etc and you can begin to teach others…..:}

Seriously. Not calculus…:}There is no longer the need to feel intimidated Paul. Let me know if you would like to private message.

Elliot

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:06 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: scanning b/w negs vs converting color digital file to b/w

Jimbo and Randall,

Thank you... and good analogy to the darkroom. I only have PS Elements but it's version 9 - that's when masks began to be included in Elements. I'll have to do some studying, which will add one more tool to my beginner's arsenal. Thanks for that lesson!

Paul


Re: scanning b/w negs vs converting color digital file to b/w

2014-09-18 by paulmwhiting@...

Thanks for the encouragement and for the second monitor suggestion. As luck would have it, when I got my new Desktop a few weeks ago I ended up with a second monitor. My tech said "You'll wonder how you got along without it". So true, what you said... I used the second monitor for just the purpose you suggested. I used to have to print out the instructions, etc and place that hard copy on my desk for reference. Rather awkward to say the list.

Thanks also for the off-group offer, Elliot. May take you up on that!

Regards,

Paul

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