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3880 and Eboni-6

2015-05-19 by roark.paul@...

I have just loaded Eboni-6 into a 3880. It's early in my efforts, but the first thing that struck me is that with Epson Hot Press Natural, I have a next-day dmax of 1.82 (Lab L = 12.7). This may be the highest I've seen on a matte paper.


What dmax are others getting with the 3880?


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Re: 3880 and Eboni-6

2015-05-20 by kellyhealy@...

I did run Ebony-6 in my 3880 when the ebony switch to v1 happened. I did not get quite that dmax !.72 -1.74 on PA325. I did not have Epson hot press at that time. I did not save any data at that time.

However a side note I am running EBHP on my 3880 with dmax in the range of 1.80 on PA325 and epson Hot press smooth. I recently tried Hannemuhle fb baryta with the HPEB and got a Dmax of 2.36. I have not tested on larger than 9x13 size but absolutely no gloss differential Other Baryta papers have not even come close to that. Canson ang Red Riiver the dmax is 1.90 and must have an overspray.
Not exactly topic or the answer you're looking for the answer but maybe interesting to some
Kelly

Re: 3880 and Eboni-6

2015-05-21 by cameronrneilson@...

Hello Group,

I've been discussing with Paul Roark the conversion of my 3880 for Eboni after my old R1800 died. It's a fun journey and I appreciate the work that Paul has put in to this process. Thank you Paul

I've been running Eboni-6 with an additional black ink added to the mix. I think the black ink helps in fine details, but I haven't run specific tests either way other than looking at comparison prints with a loupe. The ink I currently have installed in the printer is, I believe, the original MIS Eboni v1. I have the new 1.1 but haven't tried it yet. If blacks are even darker, woohoo!!!

I have two separate readings for the darkest black. This is likely due to how I scanned (photographed) the reference target and grayscale printout for linearization. Either way, I am getting results that are equal if not better than I had with the Epson R1800 using the Epson Driver. The darkest L values I am finding with the 3880 register 15.52 for one scan and the 14.44 for the other both on Epson Hot Press Bright. I am using Quadtone RIP at 2880 single pass.

Paul did indicate that the Hot Press Natural is better paper on the basis that the Hot Press Bright uses optical brighteners. I ran a sheet of Natural through the 3880 with the Hot Press Bright profile and it looks like I can probably increase the dMax more with this paper.

I look forward to seeing what Paul continues to develop for the printer.

Have fun, and make sure to support Paul ($$)....and no, he did not ask me for the plug, it's just the right thing to do.


Cameron

Re: 3880 and Eboni-6

2015-05-21 by bakerstrt@...

Hi


With 6 inks and 8 ink positions, can you tell me (us) what ink you had in which position? Did you have empty carts? Thanks.


Michael

Re: [Digital BW] 3880 and Eboni-6

2015-05-21 by Terry Ritz

I get Lab L = 14.8 with my 3800 using original Eboni. The new Eboni sounds 
like a winner!

Terry.

"roark.paul@... wrote:
I have just loaded Eboni-6 into a 3880.  It's early in my efforts, but the 
first thing that struck me is that with Epson Hot Press Natural, I have a 
next-day dmax of 1.82 (Lab L = 12.7).  This may be the highest I've seen 
on a matte paper.



What dmax are others getting with the 3880?

Re: [Digital BW] Re: 3880 and Eboni-6

2015-05-21 by Paul Roark

The 3880 is filled with Eb6 in the "standard" color positions: Y = Eb6Y (2%), etc. See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf at page 3. I'm using my C6b base for this. The profiles are all the same for MIS-diluted or generic base dilutions. The C6b version uses only readily available inputs and works fine. (See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf page 5)

Where I varied the setup a bit is with the LK and LLK. Originally I recommended LK = Eb6-M = 18% MK, and LLK = Eb6-LM = 6% K. I've found that I prefer using the Eb6-C (30%) and LC (9%) for these positions. I think they make for a better gray ramp with the Epson driver, and I really like having, particularly, the 30% LK as a manually-drawn QTR curve. It's relatively cool and dense enough to perfect the glitches in the gray ramp all through the scale. As nice as automated linearization is, the better the pre-linearization curve, the better the final is likely to be. A single manual curve that can act as, among other things, a manual correction curve is handy.

With QTR, as a starting profile, I have a main partition of the color inks as usual -- a standard QTR semi-automatic partitioning. Then I have the LK and LLK in a "toner" partition. This too can simply use the density numbers for those inks as determined in the usual way. QTR will do a fine job of partitioning the "toner" channel. I split the ink loads 70% to the main partition and 30% to the "toner." (QTR does not lower the gray partition ink loads to compensate for the fact that there is also a toner channel.) The resulting pre-linearization curve will be very good, meaning that it will linearize very well. This is all standard, semi-automaic QTR profiling - nothing fancy at all, and it works very well.

This approach is just for the simple, default, relatively warmer profile. The real challenge is to get a relatively neutral print out of 100% carbon. For that the LK (30%) is used like I use the 100% MK in a 1.5 picoliter printer, like the 1400 family. I can't use a black only channel in a 3.5 pl printer and have what I consider acceptable smoothness. But, I can have a "toner" of LK (30%) that has somewhat the same effect. The 30% K blend is not as neutral as the 100% MK but it's considerably more neutral than the more dilute inks. I've found with the 7800 that I can pull the delta Lab B (paper white to maximum Lab B) down to 3 with this approach and have a print that viewers consider very smooth. For more neutral than that, it's color toner time, and that will be the second inkset I set up on the 3880. However, there was enough demand for a full-on 100% carbon approach with no color pigments at all that I thought I ought to do that first. It is the simplest and most archival, not to mention least expensive, approach.

(I need to know there are reliable carts, however, before I put a lot more effort into this machine.)

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:43 PM, bakerstrt@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi


With 6 inks and 8 ink positions, can you tell me (us) what ink you had in which position? Did you have empty carts? Thanks.


Michael


Re: 3880 and Eboni-6

2015-06-25 by bakerstrt@...

Hi Paul


Do you know whether MIS sells this ink (Eboni with C6b base) mixed or is the ink they have available only for the 1400 etc?


Thanks

Michael

Re: [Digital BW] Re: 3880 and Eboni-6

2015-06-26 by Paul Roark

MIS sells Eboni-6 here: http://www.inksupply.com/eb6.cfm

It is compatible with virtually all Epson printers. Aside from the 1400/1430, however, you need to buy empty carts for the printer of interest and fill your own carts.

The MIS pre-mixed Eb6 is as good as that mixed with the C6b base. I consider them equal.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Paul
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On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 3:04 PM, bakerstrt@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Paul


Do you know whether MIS sells this ink (Eboni with C6b base) mixed or is the ink they have available only for the 1400 etc?


Thanks

Michael


RE: [Digital BW] Re: 3880 and Eboni-6

2015-06-26 by m venz

Thanks for that Paul, that's helpful.

Michael.

To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 20:45:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: 3880 and Eboni-6

MIS sells Eboni-6 here: http://www.inksupply.com/eb6.cfm

It is compatible with virtually all Epson printers. Aside from the 1400/1430, however, you need to buy empty carts for the printer of interest and fill your own carts.

The MIS pre-mixed Eb6 is as good as that mixed with the C6b base. I consider them equal.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Paul

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 3:04 PM, bakerstrt@hotmail.com [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi Paul


Do you know whether MIS sells this ink (Eboni with C6b base) mixed or is the ink they have available only for the 1400 etc?


Thanks
Michael



RE: [Digital BW] Re: 3880 and Eboni-6

2015-06-26 by jeff.grant@...

Apologies for butting into this thread but I'm fascinated to hear how to get a 1430 to work. I recently bought a new Australian model1430. I used two Australian sourced sets, one rechipped Inkjet mall set and a HK set. None of them worked. I had air leaks, and ink leaking from carts. In the end, I abandoned the exercise concluding that Cone inks and a new 1430 just weren't meant to be.

Have I missed something? This was a new 1430 which worked perfectly with Espon carts.

RE: [Digital BW] Re: 3880 and Eboni-6

2015-06-26 by Elliot Puritz

Hi Jeff:

 

I have used the Cone Carbon in the 1430 using the Cone carts without any issues at all.  I have also used the MIS Carbon inks in the Ink Jet carts without issues.  The 1430 is a great printer for matte prints and judging from comments on various threads carts from both sources have worked well in the past.

 

Although unlikely, is it at all possible that you made some inadvertent mistakes when using and filling the carts, i.e., air bubbles in the carts, vent plug removed, etc., etc.

 

Perhaps it is reasonable to consider having new carts sent from the USA?  Is the cost prohibitive?

 

I hope that you get up and running….

 

Elliot
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Apologies for butting into this thread but I'm fascinated to hear how to get a 1430 to work. I recently bought a new Australian model1430. I used two Australian sourced sets, one rechipped Inkjet mall set and a HK set. None of them worked. I had air leaks, and ink leaking from carts. In the end, I abandoned the exercise concluding that Cone inks and a new 1430 just weren't meant to be.

 

Have I missed something? This was a new 1430 which worked perfectly with Espon carts.

RE: [Digital BW] Re: 3880 and Eboni-6

2015-06-26 by jeff.grant@...

Thanks Elliot. I put a lot of time into the 1430 before giving up and selling it. I don't think that I did anything wrong along the way. I followed the instructions for each set explicitly. Having tried to resuscitate an old 2400 recently, I have made most of the possible mistakes already.

The 1430 carts in Australia use a different chip to the US ones. I did rechip a set of Cone ones along the way.

I would love to know how to get a 1430 working as I really want a printer that I can hibernate or use for different ink sets. The 3880 is great but hibernating or swapping burns a lot of dollars each time.

RE: [Digital BW] Re: 3880 and Eboni-6

2015-06-28 by richard@...

Jeff, I had a lot of problems getting the MIS Ink Supply cartridges that came with the Eboni 6 kit recognized by my 1430—they worked for a few weeks, but after that I would always have a few carts that wouldn't be recognized. I now stick with the EZ fill Capsules/Keys from Ink Jet Mall and they work flawlessly every time. As far as the different chips: you would still need to swap them, but I find them a lot more convenient for filling and experimenting with different ink set combinations (if you want to mess with that).

Richard Boutwell
www.bwmastery.com

RE: [Digital BW] Re: 3880 and Eboni-6

2015-06-29 by jeff.grant@...

Richard, they are about the only cart that I didn't try. Maybe I was unlucky with my 1430. I just couldn't get them to retain ink and exclude air. I've sold my 1430 so trying them is a challenge. If I thought that they would work, I'd buy another one pronto.

RE: [Digital BW] Re: 3880 and Eboni-6

2015-06-29 by Elliot Puritz

Hi Jeff:

 

The Cone carts most assuredly work in the 1430.

 

Elliot

 

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 10:47 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
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Richard, they are about the only cart that I didn't try. Maybe I was unlucky with my 1430. I just couldn't get them to retain ink and exclude air. I've sold my 1430 so trying them is a challenge. If I thought that they would work, I'd buy another one pronto.

RE: [Digital BW] Re: 3880 and Eboni-6

2015-06-30 by Elliot Puritz

Let me know if I can help in anyway Jeff. I will do my best.

 

Feel free to email me privately.

 

Elliot

 

 

 

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Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 5:50 PM
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Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: 3880 and Eboni-6

 

  

Thanks Elliot. I'll see if I can lay my hands on another one. I really wanted the 1430 to work for a few reasons.

Re: [Digital BW] Re: 3880 and Eboni-6

2015-07-01 by Bharat Patel

HI,
I had leak problems with my Epson 1400 and MIS inks. I replace the printer and also the cartridges but problem continued. Then it dawn on me that I must be doing something wrong while filling the cartridges. Though it is important how to refill cartriges there is not enough emphasis on adhering to the process and one (someone like myself) tend to cut corners. With some trial and error I have managed to stop the leaks. So here is the process I use. It is important to follow the process.
1. Leave the rubber bung on the air-vent in and fill ink through the refill hole.2. Fill slowly to the top until there is only some space left. Try to avoid making bubble but there will be some anyway.3. Leave the cartridge upright for a while and tap it to ensure there no bubbles trapped in the ink.4. Put the refill hole rubber bung back in its place. Make sure this rubber bung fits tightly so that it does not let any air in.5. Push a syringe with a plastic adaptor (one which is for sucking out ink from the cartridge) into the cartridge hole which will sit on the tray and suck out a few drops of the ink. I is important that the refill hole and air-vent have the rubber bungs in them when you do this. This will create a small pressure in the cartridge.7. Cartridge preparation is ready. Now push the cartridge in its position on the tray.8. Now and only now remove the air-vent bung.
I have found the above to work well.Hope it helps.
Bharat 
       From: "'Elliot Puritz' drpuritz@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
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 Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: 3880 and Eboni-6
   
    Hi Jeff:  I have used the Cone Carbon in the 1430 using the Cone carts without any issues at all.  I have also used the MIS Carbon inks in the Ink Jet carts without issues.  The 1430 is a great printer for matte prints and judging from comments on various threads carts from both sources have worked well in the past.  Although unlikely, is it at all possible that you made some inadvertent mistakes when using and filling the carts, i.e., air bubbles in the carts, vent plug removed, etc., etc.  Perhaps it is reasonable to consider having new carts sent from the USA?  Is the cost prohibitive?  I hope that you get up and running….  Elliot    From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]
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