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Re: [Digital BW] Where to buy papers?

Re: [Digital BW] Where to buy papers?

2002-03-12 by Jerry Olson

www.photoinkjet.com for eclipse papers,
I believe William turner is called Royal Plush from Media Street

Jerry



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> Where at the internet can I buy Hahnemuhle Photo Rag 308,
> Bright Cube Eclipse and William Turner papers?
> I don't see these papers at the missupply.com or
> mediastreet.com...
>
> Thanks,
> Bjorn
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Re: [Digital BW] Where to buy papers?

2002-03-12 by Lawrence Smith

On 3/12/02 11:53 AM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote:

> www.photoinkjet.com for eclipse papers,
> I believe William turner is called Royal Plush from Media Street
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 

Jerry,

Royal Plush is Orwell/German Etching.  Or at least it used to be!

Lawrence

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Re: [Digital BW] Where to buy papers?

2002-03-12 by culturalvisions

At Media Street, Royal Renaissance is H. Photo Rag or very 
close to it.  

I also think that Epson Smooth Fine Art is Museo.  Someone 
please correct me if I am wrong.

Frank

http://www.culturalvisions.com
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Lawrence Smith 
<lsmith@l...> wrote:
> On 3/12/02 11:53 AM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> 
> > www.photoinkjet.com for eclipse papers,
> > I believe William turner is called Royal Plush from Media 
Street
> > 
> > Jerry
> > 
> > 
> 
> Jerry,
> 
> Royal Plush is Orwell/German Etching.  Or at least it used to 
be!
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> Lawrence
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Where to buy papers?

2002-03-12 by Jerry Olson

Which looks just like william turner/Frankfurt/Lyson fine art/Orwell, etc. All are great papers, just be sure you brush them down, as all
have flaking troubles if you don't.

Jerry

Lawrence Smith wrote:
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> On 3/12/02 11:53 AM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote:
>
> > www.photoinkjet.com for eclipse papers,
> > I believe William turner is called Royal Plush from Media Street
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
>
> Jerry,
>
> Royal Plush is Orwell/German Etching.  Or at least it used to be!
>
> Lawrence
>
> ----------------------------------
> Lawrence W. Smith Photography
> http://www.lwsphoto.com
> lsmith@...
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Re: [Digital BW] Where to buy papers?

2002-03-12 by Lawrence Smith

On 3/12/02 12:30 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote:

> Which looks just like william turner/Frankfurt/Lyson fine art/Orwell, etc. All
> are great papers, just be sure you brush them down, as all
> have flaking troubles if you don't.
> 
> Jerry

Isn't william turner quite a bit smoother than German Etching?  I've only
had a sample of the WT but as I recall the color was very similar to GEB but
the texture was not.  Once again, it could be my middle aged mind playing
tricks on me...

Lawrence

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Re: [Digital BW] Where to buy papers?

2002-03-12 by Robert Morrison

Www.photoinkjet.com has all of these papers.  Just tell them what you are
looking for and they will sell you their equivalent.


Robert
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On 3/12/02 9:48 AM, "Lawrence Smith" <lsmith@...> wrote:

> On 3/12/02 12:30 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote:
> 
>> Which looks just like william turner/Frankfurt/Lyson fine art/Orwell, etc.
>> All
>> are great papers, just be sure you brush them down, as all
>> have flaking troubles if you don't.
>> 
>> Jerry
> 
> Isn't william turner quite a bit smoother than German Etching?  I've only
> had a sample of the WT but as I recall the color was very similar to GEB but
> the texture was not.  Once again, it could be my middle aged mind playing
> tricks on me...
> 
> Lawrence
> 
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> http://www.lwsphoto.com
> lsmith@...
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Re: [Digital BW] Where to buy papers?

2002-03-12 by Andrew Eschbacher

Frank,

Epson Smooth Fine Art is made by Crane (the maker of Museo) but it is not 
the same as Museo.  Robert Rex from Crane can give you more info.  Email me 
off list if you want his email address.

Drew


At 12:22 PM 3/12/02, you wrote:
>At Media Street, Royal Renaissance is H. Photo Rag or very
>close to it.
>
>I also think that Epson Smooth Fine Art is Museo.  Someone
>please correct me if I am wrong.
>
>Frank
>
>http://www.culturalvisions.com
>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Lawrence Smith
><lsmith@l...> wrote:
> > On 3/12/02 11:53 AM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> >
> > > www.photoinkjet.com for eclipse papers,
> > > I believe William turner is called Royal Plush from Media
>Street
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Jerry,
> >
> > Royal Plush is Orwell/German Etching.  Or at least it used to
>be!
> >
> > Lawrence
> >
> > ----------------------------------
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> > http://www.lwsphoto.com
> > lsmith@l...
> > ----------------------------------
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Where to buy papers?

2002-03-12 by toomagenta@aol.com

In a message dated 3/12/2002 1:56:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rmorrison@... writes:


> Www.photoinkjet.com has all of these papers.  Just tell them what you are
> looking for and they will sell you their equivalent.
> 

Yes, but last time I looked, their prices were higher than Mediastreets.
George J Kunze


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Re: [Digital BW] Where to buy papers?

2002-03-12 by Jerry Olson

No,  I think they are the same. It would appear that the thinner version of william turner is NOT the same as the thick. The thin is very
sandy. Feels like fine sandpaper, and my william turner doesn't. Any of these papers is excellent. Just be sure to wipe them down before
printing.

The following is a table that one of the listmembers compiled some time ago:'


Paper names:

Hahnem\ufffdhle German Etching 310 =

Royal Plush, Frankfurt Art, Vienna, Conetech Orwell, Luminos
Classic Velour, Lyson Fine Art Standard

Hahnem\ufffdhle W. Turner 310 (100% Rag,=

Lyson Cotton Rag

Hahnem\ufffdhle Torchon 285 (Inkjet Watercolor Paper)=

Royal Riviera 285 gsm, Lyson Soft Fine Art,
Lumijet Museum Parchment

Hahnem\ufffdhle Albrecht Durer 210 (Watercolor paper)=

Royal Weave 210 gsm (Contech Chelsea??? don\ufffdt find my
sample in the mement to proof)

Hahnem\ufffdhle W. Turner 190 (100% Rag, mould made)=

Royal Jazz, Wells River, Luminos Woven Fiber

Hahnem\ufffdhle Photo Matte 170=

Conetech Matte.

Hahnem\ufffdhle Allegretto 160 (Inkjet Watercolor Paper)=

Royal Sunrise, Conetech Tunbridge

Jerry

Re: [Digital BW] Where to buy papers?

2002-03-12 by Jerry Olson

Jerry Olson wrote:

> No,  I think they are the same. It would appear that the thinner version of william turner is NOT the same as the thick. The thin is very
> sandy. Feels like fine sandpaper, and my william turner doesn't. Any of these papers is excellent. Just be sure to wipe them down before
> printing.
>
> The following is a table that one of the listmembers compiled some time ago:'
>

This JUST in from Media Street: as of 3/12/02

Royal Plush - German Etching
Royal Riviera - Torchon
Royal Jazz - William Turner 190 gsm
Photo Rag 308 - Royal Renaissance
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> Other Paper names:
>
> Hahnem\ufffdhle German Etching 310 =
>
> Royal Plush, Frankfurt Art, Vienna, Conetech Orwell, Luminos
> Classic Velour, Lyson Fine Art Standard
>
> Hahnem\ufffdhle W. Turner 310 (100% Rag,=
>
> Lyson Cotton Rag
>
> Hahnem\ufffdhle Torchon 285 (Inkjet Watercolor Paper)=
>
> Royal Riviera 285 gsm, Lyson Soft Fine Art,
> Lumijet Museum Parchment
>
> Hahnem\ufffdhle Albrecht Durer 210 (Watercolor paper)=
>
> Royal Weave 210 gsm (Contech Chelsea??? don\ufffdt find my
> sample in the mement to proof)
>
> Hahnem\ufffdhle W. Turner 190 (100% Rag, mould made)=
>
> Royal Jazz, Wells River, Luminos Woven Fiber
>
> Hahnem\ufffdhle Photo Matte 170=
>
> Conetech Matte.
>
> Hahnem\ufffdhle Allegretto 160 (Inkjet Watercolor Paper)=
>
> Royal Sunrise, Conetech Tunbridge
>
> Jerry
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Where to buy papers?

2002-03-13 by sdmey4@aol.com

In a message dated 03/12/2002 9:30:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
jerryolson@... writes:


> Which looks just like william turner/Frankfurt/Lyson fine art/Orwell, etc. 
> All are great papers, just be sure you brush them down, as all
> have flaking troubles if you don't.
> 
> Jerry
........William Turner is NOT the same as Orwell/frankfurt. Lyson fine Art 
etc. It the thicker big brother of Wells River/Jazz group of papers, and one 
of the most expensive you can buy! 
Steve M



> 



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Re: [Digital BW] Where to buy papers?

2002-03-13 by Michael Kravit

The Lyson branded Hahnemuhle papers are as follows;

Lyson Standard Fine Art = German Etching
Lyson !00% Rag Fine Art = William Turner
Lyson Soft Fine Art = Torchon

Regards,

Michael J. Kravit
Architect/Photographer
Boca Raton, Florida
www.kravit.net
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  In a message dated 03/12/2002 9:30:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
  jerryolson@... writes:


  > Which looks just like william turner/Frankfurt/Lyson fine art/Orwell, etc. 
  > All are great papers, just be sure you brush them down, as all
  > have flaking troubles if you don't.
  > 
  > Jerry
  ........William Turner is NOT the same as Orwell/frankfurt. Lyson fine Art 
  etc. It the thicker big brother of Wells River/Jazz group of papers, and one 
  of the most expensive you can buy! 
  Steve M



  > 



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Re: [Digital BW] Where to buy papers?

2002-03-13 by Jerry Olson

Okay, my mistake. But wipe it down anyway, or it flakes. I've used just about every paper ever mentioned on these lists. Most Hahnemuhle
papers have the best blacks, but a lot of them flake if you don't wipe them down first. And all the below mentioned papers do look much
alike. Wells River sure doesn't feel like william turner. it is sandy and gritty. The samples of william turner I had were not.

Jerry

sdmey4@... wrote:
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> In a message dated 03/12/2002 9:30:58 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> jerryolson@... writes:
>
> > Which looks just like william turner/Frankfurt/Lyson fine art/Orwell, etc.
> > All are great papers, just be sure you brush them down, as all
> > have flaking troubles if you don't.
> >
> > Jerry
> ........William Turner is NOT the same as Orwell/frankfurt. Lyson fine Art
> etc. It the thicker big brother of Wells River/Jazz group of papers, and one
> of the most expensive you can buy!
> Steve M
>
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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RE: [Digital BW] Where to buy papers?

2002-03-13 by Nij

Steve,

That would rather depend on whether or not you were talking about William
Turner 190 or William Turner 310.

The WT 310 is certainly more expensive than German Etching 310 (sometimes
known as Orwell for one). The WT190 is 'Wells River' at ConeTech.

Best regards,
nij
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>
>
> In a message dated 03/12/2002 9:30:58 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> jerryolson@... writes:
>
>
> > Which looks just like william turner/Frankfurt/Lyson fine
> art/Orwell, etc.
> > All are great papers, just be sure you brush them down, as all
> > have flaking troubles if you don't.
> >
> > Jerry
> ........William Turner is NOT the same as Orwell/frankfurt. Lyson
> fine Art
> etc. It the thicker big brother of Wells River/Jazz group of
> papers, and one
> of the most expensive you can buy!
> Steve M

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