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2016-01-07 by arlenelove3@...

Thanks Richard. I'm using the Canon Pro 100 for proofs  and incidentals, 
not for serious finished  b&w  photographs.  There are claims that the new dye 
inks are as stable as  archival pigment inks. I am very skeptical  about 
"claims." I bought the  Canon because the rebate offer was too good to pass up.
 
Is there an alternative to Epson? They are great when they work, but nobody 
 wants to make a house call , or even have me deliver to a certified repair 
shop.  Epson is not supplying  parts. In the past fifteen years, I've gone 
through  three large format Epsons. After trying carbon inks, and other b&w 
inks , I  ended up being hostage to Epson inks. I wish I were earning as 
much as I'm  spending.
 
                                   ArleneLove
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2016-01-07 by Mike Keller

I have the Canon Pro-1 13" wide printer, it's pigment inks and I think the prints look very nice. As usual, "archival" depends on display versus dark storage, but I think the prints on the right papers will outlive many of us under appropriate lighting - and since I'm not in charge of someone else's lighting, I'm not going to worry about it. I got the Pro-1 on a pretty awesome rebate a year ago, and I've seen that offer twice since then. In fact, the Pro-1 and Pro-100 were both on offer, so you made a different choice than I.
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On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 12:54 PM, arlenelove3@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Thanks Richard. I'm using the Canon Pro 100 for proofs and incidentals, not for serious finished b&w photographs. There are claims that the new dye inks are as stable as archival pigment inks. I am very skeptical about "claims." I bought the Canon because the rebate offer was too good to pass up.
Is there an alternative to Epson? They are great when they work, but nobody wants to make a house call , or even have me deliver to a certified repair shop. Epson is not supplying parts. In the past fifteen years, I've gone through three large format Epsons. After trying carbon inks, and other b&w inks , I ended up being hostage to Epson inks. I wish I were earning as much as I'm spending.
ArleneLove

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2016-01-07 by Paul Roark

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There are claims that the new dye inks are as stable as archival pigment inks. I am very skeptical
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​Yes, I would be skeptical also. The latest generation of dyes from the OEMs in their higher end printers (not the Eco Tank) are very good for dyes and arguably better than some third party color pigments, but in my fade testing they are not in the same league with carbon pigments. At http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/2nd-8wk-Fade-test-7-26-2015.jpg you'll see a scan of my last test, where I compared the Canon dye K to the Epson Claria/Noritsu K. The Canon is in the second row from the left, in the middle. The "control" is the dark storage test strip; the other one is the faded one. While the Canon may initially look better than the Epson, probably because the Canon started as warm, while the Epson went from cool/neutral to warm, you can pull that Jpeg into Photoshop and look at the relative fade with the eyedropper. ​ The Canon did not, in my view, do better. Both of the dyes look awful compared to the Eboni BO test that is right below the Canon and ran for twice as long.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

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2016-01-08 by hrblaine@...

I have a large dye print (from a Canon printer) hanging on my wall that gets a lot of artificial light and a little indirect sunlight. It hasn't faded in 5 years that I can see - and if it starts I can just print it again. That's good enuf for me. BTW, I only purchase B/W prints. Harry

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2016-01-08 by barrettwbenton@...

Arlene: My problem with printers sort of comes from the opposite direction: My main printer up to last year was an HP Photosmart Pro 8750, purchased new in winter of 2005. I went on to make prints for several exhibitions (one of them mine), did a good deal of other print jobs for myself and others. Loved the thing so much that not only did I pass over the 8750's successor (the B9180, which turned out to be a dog), but I went out and bought a barely-used 8750 as a backup in case this one broke down (which it hasn't). The thing has nearly never clogged, dumped ink, or had the usual hissy-fits common with the Epsons in my past. The problem now isn't with the printer, but HP itself: they essentially cut the legs out from under the 8750 by discontinuing production of the very inks and papers that made this machine shine, leaving me with a pair of perfectly-functioning printers which are basically useless for my purposes.

I have inherited a mostly-functioning Epson R3000 which, once I've dealt with one particularly-stubborn nozzle, will take the place of both 8750s. I've noted that HP hasn't had a decent 13-inch printer in their lineup for some time - whether that's merely a reflection of market demand for printers in that format, too much pummeling from Epson, or (my pick) a symptom of HP's ongoing corporate scheiss-show, I can't entirely say. But it looks like I'm back with Epson for the moment, however reulctantly. In the end, it's all about support.


- Barrett

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2016-01-08 by Dr. Elliot Puritz

Given the problems that Epson printers seem to have why not try Canon?

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> On Jan 8, 2016, at 16:37, barrettwbenton@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Arlene: My problem with printers sort of comes from the opposite direction: My main printer up to last year was an HP Photosmart Pro 8750, purchased new in winter of 2005. I went on to make prints for several exhibitions (one of them mine), did a good deal of other print jobs for myself and others. Loved the thing so much that not only did I pass over the 8750's successor (the B9180, which turned out to be a dog), but I went out and bought a barely-used 8750 as a backup in case this one broke down (which it hasn't). The thing has nearly never clogged, dumped ink, or had the usual hissy-fits common with the Epsons in my past. The problem now isn't with the printer, but HP itself: they essentially cut the legs out from under the 8750 by discontinuing production of the very inks and papers that made this machine shine, leaving me with a pair of perfectly-functioning printers which are basically useless for my purposes.
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> I have inherited a mostly-functioning Epson R3000 which, once I've dealt with one particularly-stubborn nozzle, will take the place of both 8750s. I've noted that HP hasn't had a decent 13-inch printer in their lineup for some time - whether that's merely a reflection of market demand for printers in that format, too much pummeling from Epson, or (my pick) a symptom of HP's ongoing corporate scheiss-show, I can't entirely say. But it looks like I'm back with Epson for the moment, however reulctantly.  In the end, it's all about support.
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> - Barrett
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