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Carbon Variable Tone toner now available from MIS

Carbon Variable Tone toner now available from MIS

2016-09-10 by roark.paul@...

MIS Associates has now put a light blue toner on its web page that clones the Canon pigment based toner I mix for my Glossy and Eboni Variable Tone inksets.


For the toner, go to the bottom of the MIS webpage at

https://www.inksupply.com/roarkslab.cfm .

(I allow them to use my name on their page as long as the inks are those I use or have tested. I receive no royalties.)


For a description of the latest version of the Carbon Variable Tone inksets, see http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Glossy-Carbon-Variable-Tone.pdf


The MIS light blue toner is made with their color pigments and their amber base. I use Canon pigments and the amber base for my glossy compatible inksets. This same toner can also be used for the Eboni or other matte carbon variable tone inksets (like the Epson EcoTank carbon).


I have verified that the MIS toner works just like my Canon toner in terms of being plug compatible with the profiles I post.


I have not fade tested the MIS product. I assume (and I think MIS agrees) that it will have about the same characteristics as the previous MIS UT B&W inks. In my older fade testing the UT inks were competitive with other third party B&W inksets.


I will continue to use the Canon color pigments in my toner.


I hope the availability of a pre-mixed and reasonably priced toner is of use to the open source B&W market.


In the Yellow position, it is relatively easy to control the tone via Photoshop curves (blue curve controls Y-position toner), but as usual I prefer QTR.


Note that the MIS toner follows my more recent 25% color pigments to 75% base mix. In the initial Eboni VT inkset I used a 10% color to 90% base dilution. To adjust the profiles that used only 10% color pigs, divide the QTR ink load by 2.5. The ink load adjustment and the amount of color ink in the toner are (inversely) proportionate.


Note also that the MIS web page has an inaccurate color shown on its web page for the toner -- way too magenta. (They appear to have used a Lab A of 77 instead of the correct value of 7 for the image.) Also, their statement that what I use is just Canon blue is inaccurate. The toner I use is a combination of Canon blue and cyan.


Paul

PaulRoark.com -- Paul Roark's Photographic Home




Re: [Digital BW] Re: Carbon Variable Tone toner now available from MIS

2016-09-12 by Paul Roark

Yes, if you don't want to mix your own, the MIS product can be used even in the matte paper only Eboni VT inksets. Keep in mind that the Canon based toner is going to be the one you'd want to use for the very best results due to the better light fastness of the Canon color pigs. As to the base, the amber base was used for years in the UT inksets, and it's quite reliable. Still, however, the generic base, with no binder in it at all, is going to be the best when it comes to avoiding clogs even when left for weeks.

Paul
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On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 4:28 PM, rdeloe1@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Paul, this is good news. But to clarify, are you saying that it can be used in your Eboni Carbon Variable Tone formulation for matte paper? http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/3880-Eboni-Variable-Tone.pdf

I've been mixing this up using your C6-B base, but it sounds like the MIS product uses their Amber base?

Rob
www.robdeloephotography.com


Re: Carbon Variable Tone toner now available from MIS

2018-02-26 by paulmwhiting@...

Paul,

An old thread, but just what I was looking for. I recall having seen it some time ago ... took some searching!

I have a question on this:

"Note that the MIS toner follows my more recent 25% color pigments to 75% base mix. In the initial Eboni VT inkset I used a 10% color to 90% base dilution. To adjust the profiles that used only 10% color pigs, divide the QTR ink load by 2.5. The ink load adjustment and the amount of color ink in the toner are (inversely) proportionate."


So, if I use the MIS toner with the curves with VT in their name, I simply have to use this toner as is? I mean, I don't need to change its dilution at all? How do I know whether the profiles I'm using are the original 10-90 or the newer 25-75? (I mix my own, btw. using Eboni 1.1 and base b).


Thank you,


Paul (W)


PS: I do wish we were on a more up-to-date forum platform... so hard to search and find key information here. Certainly not your fault!



Re: [Digital BW] Re: Carbon Variable Tone toner now available from MIS

2018-02-26 by Paul Roark

Hi Paul W.

The original 1430 Eboni Variable Tone was designed for the more dilute toner -- 10% color pigs to 90% base. The MIS toner used my later, stronger toner that is 25% color. So, if you use the MIS toner, you should adjust the original 2015 profiles to put in less color. That is just an ink load adjustment -- dividing the toner ink load by 2.5 and saving the curve. It should not alter the profile or performance, except that it will be putting less base (mostly water) on the paper, which is good.

I hope this helps. (I regret that I have not had the time to go back and do this adjustment and test a new set of profiles.)

Paul
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On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 4:54 PM, paulmwhiting@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Paul,

An old thread, but just what I was looking for. I recall having seen it some time ago ... took some searching!

I have a question on this:

"Note that the MIS toner follows my more recent 25% color pigments to 75% base mix. In the initial Eboni VT inkset I used a 10% color to 90% base dilution. To adjust the profiles that used only 10% color pigs, divide the QTR ink load by 2.5. The ink load adjustment and the amount of color ink in the toner are (inversely) proportionate."


So, if I use the MIS toner with the curves with VT in their name, I simply have to use this toner as is? I mean, I don9;t need to change its dilution at all? How do I know whether the profiles I'm using are the original 10-90 or the newer 25-75? (I mix my own, btw. using Eboni 1.1 and base b).


Thank you,


Paul (W)


PS: I do wish we were on a more up-to-date forum platform... so hard to search and find key information here. Certainly not your fault!




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