Digital BW, The Print

Tom,

The tubing would not take too much but the cartridge portion of the CIS hold
as much ink as a regular cartridge. They would require many pages to
exchange and even more to completely flush.

I have the NFS in my 1280 at the moment and it is very, very different from
the regular FS. So I have to guess you still have a cartridge worth of
regular FS in your system or they sent you the wrong ink.

Martin

----- Original Message -----

From: "tomoc" <tomoc@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 11:12 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] How much ink in tubes?


> Well... I got my pints of FSN today. Switched out the FS inks and ran
> about 5 MIS purge files and started printing.
>
> Anybody know if this was enough to get all the old ink flushed
> through the CIS system?
>
> I thought I had read that was enough, but if it is, I'm hard pressed
> to see the difference between FS and FSN (lovely though it is).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom O'Connell
>
> TomOC@...
> www.thomasoconnell.com
>

Martin, what is the NFS inks? I have the VM inks, and I know about the FS inks and the Sepia inks, but haven't heard of NFS.

Jerry

Yikes... Guess I'd better run a bunch of flush images on plain old 
paper... Wonder how many of them it will take <g>.

tom


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> Tom,
> 
> The tubing would not take too much but the cartridge portion of the 
CIS hold
> as much ink as a regular cartridge. They would require many pages to
> exchange and even more to completely flush.
> 
> I have the NFS in my 1280 at the moment and it is very, very 
different from
> the regular FS. So I have to guess you still have a cartridge worth 
of
> regular FS in your system or they sent you the wrong ink.
> 
> Martin
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tomoc" <tomoc@y...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 11:12 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] How much ink in tubes?
> 
> 
> > Well... I got my pints of FSN today. Switched out the FS inks and 
ran
> > about 5 MIS purge files and started printing.
> >
> > Anybody know if this was enough to get all the old ink flushed
> > through the CIS system?
> >
> > I thought I had read that was enough, but if it is, I'm hard 
pressed

> > to see the difference between FS and FSN (lovely though it is).
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tom O'Connell
> >
> > TomOC@y...
> > www.thomasoconnell.com
> >

Jerry-

It's the new neutral formula FS inks that Paul has been working on.

And it sounds like I was not really to smart about how I changed them 
out... I've been flushing and it sounds like I should have used my 
head and bought new carts for the CIS...we'll see which gets here 
first, the carts or more paper <g>.

Since I apparently haven't seen the new inks yet <g>, I can't tell 
you first hand, but others say it's beautiful...all the FS range but 
a little less warm.

Tom O'Connell

TomOC@...
www.thomasoconnell.com


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> Martin, what is the NFS inks? I have the VM inks, and I know about 
the FS inks and the Sepia inks, but haven't heard of NFS.
> 
> Jerry

Tom, why would there be a need for them? Can't we get everything from the VM inks and the Sepia Set?

Those 2 inksets seem to go from  slightly blue to VERY brown!

Jerry

tomoc wrote:

> Jerry-
>
> It's the new neutral formula FS inks that Paul has been working on.
>
> And it sounds like I was not really to smart about how I changed them
> out... I've been flushing and it sounds like I should have used my
> head and bought new carts for the CIS...we'll see which gets here
> first, the carts or more paper <g>.
>
> Since I apparently haven't seen the new inks yet <g>, I can't tell
> you first hand, but others say it's beautiful...all the FS range but
> a little less warm.
>
> Tom O'Connell
>
> TomOC@...
> www.thomasoconnell.com
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > Martin, what is the NFS inks? I have the VM inks, and I know about
> the FS inks and the Sepia inks, but haven't heard of NFS.
> >
> > Jerry
>
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About 80, if you didn't suck some the inks out of the cartridges first :(.

Jerry



tomoc wrote:

> Yikes... Guess I'd better run a bunch of flush images on plain old
> paper... Wonder how many of them it will take <g>.
>
> tom
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley"
> <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > Tom,
> >
> > The tubing would not take too much but the cartridge portion of the
> CIS hold
> > as much ink as a regular cartridge. They would require many pages to
> > exchange and even more to completely flush.
> >
> > I have the NFS in my 1280 at the moment and it is very, very
> different from
> > the regular FS. So I have to guess you still have a cartridge worth
> of
> > regular FS in your system or they sent you the wrong ink.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "tomoc" <tomoc@y...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 11:12 PM
> > Subject: [Digital BW] How much ink in tubes?
> >
> >
> > > Well... I got my pints of FSN today. Switched out the FS inks and
> ran
> > > about 5 MIS purge files and started printing.
> > >
> > > Anybody know if this was enough to get all the old ink flushed
> > > through the CIS system?
> > >
> > > I thought I had read that was enough, but if it is, I'm hard
> pressed
> > > to see the difference between FS and FSN (lovely though it is).
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Tom O'Connell
> > >
> > > TomOC@y...
> > > www.thomasoconnell.com
> > >
>
>
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Jerry-

I use VM with the curves and Epson driver and/or Lyson Small Gamut 
with Epson driver (for glossy) when I need toning. But for straight 
deep black BW prints, I use the FS with the Piezo driver because it 
is about 3x faster to print. Sounds lazy, but the real reason is 
probably that I don't want to waste such an expensive piece of 
software and I quit using the piezo inks long ago.

Tom O'Connell

TomOC@...
www.thomasoconnell.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> Tom, why would there be a need for them? Can't we get everything 
from the VM inks and the Sepia Set?
> 
> Those 2 inksets seem to go from  slightly blue to VERY brown!
> 
> Jerry
> 
> tomoc wrote:
> 
> > Jerry-
> >
> > It's the new neutral formula FS inks that Paul has been working 
on.
> >
> > And it sounds like I was not really to smart about how I changed 
them
> > out... I've been flushing and it sounds like I should have used my
> > head and bought new carts for the CIS...we'll see which gets here
> > first, the carts or more paper <g>.
> >
> > Since I apparently haven't seen the new inks yet <g>, I can't tell
> > you first hand, but others say it's beautiful...all the FS range 
but
> > a little less warm.
> >
> > Tom O'Connell
> >
> > TomOC@y...
> > www.thomasoconnell.com
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > Martin, what is the NFS inks? I have the VM inks, and I know 
about
> > the FS inks and the Sepia inks, but haven't heard of NFS.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page 
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Evening Tom!

Ah, that would work for you. I never had the piezo software for my 1280 printer which I use for Black and white only printing. I have the VM
inkset, and using Paul's curves, get great results. The one thing and ONLY thing I miss about the piezo system is its' driver.  It really
did print much faster than the epson driver. I wonder why epson can't speed that up a bit?

Tom, what printers are you using for the Small Gamut Lyson?  I tried those inks in an 1160 I no longer own. Beautiful prints, but there were
fine dots in the highlights.
Are you using them in a 1280, and if you are, can you see any dots?

How about Metamerism? It always crept up under tungsten lighting, just a bit, not bad, but annoying.

Jerry