Digital BW, The Print

Paul Roark wrote:

> You wrote<
>
> >...paper availability.
>
> >'Epson Archival Matte' paper is not available in anything
> >larger then Super A3,...
>
> I have a pre-release 24" roll of Archival Matte.  (I cut it down to 17x22
> for making 16x20s in my 3000 -- works great.)
>
> Epson told me they would release it publicly in September.

That is great!  It's so discouraging that the sales force at Epson does not seem to know what the company is
doing.  I guess I should not be surprised that they go to the lowest common denominator.  Afterall, they make
their most money form the 'public' who have different needs than professionals.  It would be nice if Epson set
up some sort of 'professional' resource like Kodak, or Polaroid does.

> I do not believe that Double Weight Matte is the same paper.  However, I
> have not used it.

Others have confirmed that it is a different paper....So much for accurate info from Epson.

> >... want to be sure that the prints are stable.
>
> EAM is the best inkjet printing paper I've tested in my florescent light
> fade tester, using MIS and Piezo inksets.  However, all ink/paper
> combinations fade and warm shift.  They are not in the same league as an
> archivally processed silver print.

I suspect that all the papers you have tried have brighteners in them, and it's the brighteners that are
unstable.  But as an aside, Ilford's Multigrade Fiber paper (which is supposed to be archival) also has
brighteners in it and they too, change color and warm up when exposed to light, over time.  :- (

According to the Crane paper people, the Epson Smooth Fine Art paper (that they make for Epson) does not have
brighteners in it, and should not shift color.  I don't know how well it accepts inks though, i.e. Does it
have deep rich blacks?

Harvey Ferdschneider
partner, SKID Photogrpahy, NYC


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I'll bet you would

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> I don't believe that worked, but if you want some help doing so, I'd be
more
> than happy to help ;-)
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I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist...but my offer does still stand ;-)

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In a message dated 8/15/02 6:09:37 PM, david_bookbinder@... writes:

>I really don't give a rat's ass that you've moved, as I have no idea who
>you
>are or why you sent this message out to a huge list of people who are not
>your clients.
>
Or we could be charitable and assume that he made the error of forgetting he 
had a mailing list in his address book when he sent out that global note.

C. David Tobie
Design Cooperative
CDTobie@...

does anyone sign a print on EAM?   pencil does not work    probably you
sign on the mat, most of you, but i prefer the actual print    can you
sign with pencil on photo rag?   i use arches cover and stonehenge art
papers and can sign on them but run into other problems     

just did my first color print on the 2200 and matte rather than photo
black on glossy   NO!   did the same on EAM and it looks pretty good  
(same print on a 3000 with archival MIS inks and on my old Epson 900
nonarchival does not read as well, though people not seeing the
comparison raved . . . ah well)   so MANY variables!      (i got my 2200
from a CompUSA)    jwp/jno

I sign EAM on the border, right under the photo in pencil. Works great.

Jerry

jean wall penland wrote:

> 
> does anyone sign a print on EAM?   pencil does not work    probably you
> sign on the mat, most of you, but i prefer the actual print    can you
> sign with pencil on photo rag?   i use arches cover and stonehenge art
> papers and can sign on them but run into other problems
> 
> just did my first color print on the 2200 and matte rather than photo
> black on glossy   NO!   did the same on EAM and it looks pretty good
> (same print on a 3000 with archival MIS inks and on my old Epson 900
> nonarchival does not read as well, though people not seeing the
> comparison raved . . . ah well)   so MANY variables!      (i got my 2200
> from a CompUSA)    jwp/jno
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my apologies!   i was signing an Epson Heavyweight Matte (and IT does
not)!      you are right . . . it signs beautifully, EAM, with a .007
lead    the print is a NC mtn /sky/parkway shot  from a hike with the
grandsons near pisgah, and is just beautiful   thanks!    the clouds and
sky on the 2200 are VERY nice!    jwp/jno

Marzenna,

Conversion of color to B&W has already been discussed on this forum. Do a search and you should get quite a few hits.

There are many ways to convert color to B&W...currently, I'm playing around with B&W Studio from powerretouche.com. It has a couple of nice features that other tools do not have and is cheaper than Convert to B&W Pro from imagingfactory.com.

Basically, just jump in and start playing with evals or PS Channel Mixer, or actions, or . . .

Have fun!

Alan Huntley

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> From: "mgolczewska" <mgolczewska@...>
> Date: 2004/01/04 Sun PM 08:32:12 EST
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW]
> 
> Hello Alan,
> 
> thank You very much for replying!
> 
> If you have found a better way to convert color to B&W please do share
> it with us! I have found a way myself which is best I think to gain
> maximmum quality and control in the acquiring process with Photoshop.
> I use three separate RGB channels als grayscale source film from
> digital material - and the four CMYK channels from professional scans.
> 
> But maybe your acquiring method is even more sophisticated?

You can elect to get the digests--that will only be once or twice a day.  AFAIK--you will always get the long footer--but clip it in replies.  I'd clip it before saving too.

Diane

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  From: Drime 
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  I usually read Yahoo groups on line, but today I decided to get emails 
  so  I can easily save topics of interest in discreet files for future 
  reference. There is such a wealth of info being generated daily, most 
  of which I am not ready to digest as yet. But I know there will come a 
  time when I will want to make use of this information.

  Here's my question. Do we have to receive that hugely long footer in 
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  I'm sure this must have been addressed in the past. Thank you all for 
  your indulgence and patience.

  Drime



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