Digital BW, The Print

Peter,

You wrote:

>... which inks differ between MIS FullSpectrum,
>MIS FullSpectrum-N and MIS-VM inksets. Is there any overlap between the
>three? I have bottles of both the FS and VM inksets and would like to try
>the FS-N. Do I need to buy the entire set?

The black ink is the same on all three.

The FS-N shares no other inks with the standard FS and the MIS VM.  (The
FS-N cyan and the MIS VM-Sepia cyan inks are the same.)

So, you'll need all the midtones for the FS-N to try it.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Paul,

Have you tried the Epson driver work-flow with the FS-N CMCMYK inks 
in CcMmYK positions yet? I am continuing to be amazed at the prints I 
get with the curves I sent you. It may be time to post the curves.

Shilesh

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Peter,
> 
> You wrote:
> 
> >... which inks differ between MIS FullSpectrum,
> >MIS FullSpectrum-N and MIS-VM inksets. Is there any overlap 
between the
> >three? I have bottles of both the FS and VM inksets and would like 
to try
> >the FS-N. Do I need to buy the entire set?
> 
> The black ink is the same on all three.
> 
> The FS-N shares no other inks with the standard FS and the MIS VM.  
(The

> FS-N cyan and the MIS VM-Sepia cyan inks are the same.)
> 
> So, you'll need all the midtones for the FS-N to try it.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com

Shilesh,
I'd like to give your curves a try with that ink arrangement. Would you mind
sending them to me?
Thanks
Peter Lindman

> Paul,
> 
> Have you tried the Epson driver work-flow with the FS-N CMCMYK inks
> in CcMmYK positions yet? I am continuing to be amazed at the prints I
> get with the curves I sent you. It may be time to post the curves.
> 
> Shilesh
>

Shilesh,

You wrote:

>Have you tried the Epson driver work-flow with the FS-N CMCMYK inks
>in CcMmYK positions yet? I am continuing to be amazed at the prints I
>get with the curves I sent you. It may be time to post the curves.

No, I  don't have a hextone printer yet.  (Now that taxes are done, I'll
move on that front.)

I thought you were going to have the curves posted.  It may be a while
before I get anywhere with it, and others might benefit from the workflow.
I think the hextone FS approach with the Epson driver makes a lot of sense.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Paul, Peter - whar's Mary:-),

If either of you are in the June Print Exchange, you will see a print 
made with this workflow. I finished the prints last night, and will 
be shipping them to Tom soon. Once again, I cannot empasize enough 
how happy I am with the prints I get. Prints on EAM and Photorag just 
jump out.

I have also found (incidently) that a black-white gradient (no steps) 
look much smoother when the print head travels across the gradient, 
rather than along the gradient.

Peter, I am sending you the curve and other details off-list. Good 
luck.

Shilesh
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Shilesh,
> 
> You wrote:
> 
> >Have you tried the Epson driver work-flow with the FS-N CMCMYK inks
> >in CcMmYK positions yet? I am continuing to be amazed at the 
prints I
> >get with the curves I sent you. It may be time to post the curves.
> 
> No, I  don't have a hextone printer yet.  (Now that taxes are done, 
I'll
> move on that front.)
> 
> I thought you were going to have the curves posted.  It may be a 
while
> before I get anywhere with it, and others might benefit from the 
workflow.
> I think the hextone FS approach with the Epson driver makes a lot 
of sense.

> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com

Shilesh has been kind enough to share his workflow using the MIS FS 
inks on 6 color printers with all of us. It's been posted on 
www.inkjetgoodies.com a link to it can be found on this page: 
http://inkjetgoodies.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?
Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=IG&Category_Code=MISFS. If anyone else would 
like to submit their workflows, we will make space on our servers 
available for them.

FYI we inkjetgoodies.com is now an MIS dealer and we stock the MIS FS 
and MIS VM in bulk. (see MIS's announcement: 
http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/whatsnew.html) 

We have also updated are shipping policy to include free shipping on 
orders of $75 or more and UPS Ground for $3.95 on orders less than 
$75.

Gregory Schern
Inkjet Goodies
www.inkjetgoodies.com
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Bought a 1280 2 months ago, ran 150 beautiful prints from it until a paper
feed problem developed and I sent it back last week. The replacement came
less than 24 hours later in a box labled "refurbished product". New one
printed fine for two days on a dual G4, os X running Pshop under 9.2-- then
a couple days ago I started a print, the printer put down about a one inch
strip and spit the paper out. Re-install of the EPSON driver for X, the one
for 9, and every conceivable memory and pref tweak didn't change result.
I can print from non-photoshop apps with the EPSON driver fine, and with
Pshop and the EPSON drivers fine, but not with piezo and the epson driver.
Now, to make it more puzzling, I can print from my pc laptop running pshop
6, piezo 604, and the current 1280 driver if I only print letter size.
Anything larger and same thing, a strip of ink and out goes the paper.
Two hours of long-distance tech support with epson has not given us any
resolution, just lots of wasted paper. I never mentioned running third party
inks with a chipped cis, never mentioned the piezo export plugin. Has anyone
had this problem? Has anyone ever said to epson "I don't care what the
problem is, I don't like this printer, I want a new one"?
Thanks,
Dennis Craven

Hi Dennis,

Sounds like your latest set of issues could be disk or memory related rather
than hardware necessarily. Have you checked your available disk recently? I
only ask because on Windows (don't know Mac!) it has this flaky habit of not
spooling very well if you are low on disk, and in particular, not telling
you what's wrong (which it ought to be able to do!) Indeed, when it does go
wrong, it can show part-finished prints etc.

Best,
Nij

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis [mailto:ghile@...]
> Sent: 19 April 2002 11:57
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] 1280 curiosity
>
>
> Bought a 1280 2 months ago, ran 150 beautiful prints from it until a paper
> feed problem developed and I sent it back last week. The replacement came
> less than 24 hours later in a box labled "refurbished product". New one
> printed fine for two days on a dual G4, os X running Pshop under
> 9.2-- then
> a couple days ago I started a print, the printer put down about a one inch
> strip and spit the paper out. Re-install of the EPSON driver for
> X, the one
> for 9, and every conceivable memory and pref tweak didn't change result.
> I can print from non-photoshop apps with the EPSON driver fine, and with
> Pshop and the EPSON drivers fine, but not with piezo and the epson driver.
> Now, to make it more puzzling, I can print from my pc laptop running pshop
> 6, piezo 604, and the current 1280 driver if I only print letter size.
> Anything larger and same thing, a strip of ink and out goes the paper.
> Two hours of long-distance tech support with epson has not given us any
> resolution, just lots of wasted paper. I never mentioned running
> third party
> inks with a chipped cis, never mentioned the piezo export plugin.
> Has anyone
> had this problem? Has anyone ever said to epson "I don't care what the
> problem is, I don't like this printer, I want a new one"?
> Thanks,
> Dennis Craven
>

> Bought a 1280 2 months ago, ran 150 beautiful prints from it until a paper
> feed problem developed and I sent it back last week. The replacement came
> less than 24 hours later in a box labled "refurbished product".

Dennis:

If your original 2 month old printer was new when you bought it Epson should
have replaced it with a new printer. I've had to have a 1200 replaced twice
but it was a refurb when I bought it.  I'm not very impressed with Epson's
quality control on refurbished printers - even if they carry a warranty.
Having to send them back over and over is a BIG hassle!

joel