Digital BW, The Print

http://printworks-usa.com/html/juicy.html

The NDA is over. Here is a peek. There is also a link on this 
page for a large downloadable PDF. 7-color pigments, reduced 
(not eliminated) metamerism, borderless printing, faster 
speeds, 2880, variable drop 4 picoliter. Supposed street delivery: 
June 3.

9600: $4995
7600: $2995

> http://printworks-usa.com/html/juicy.html
> 
> The NDA is over. Here is a peek. There is also a link on this
> page for a large downloadable PDF. 7-color pigments, reduced
> (not eliminated) metamerism, borderless printing, faster
> speeds, 2880, variable drop 4 picoliter. Supposed street delivery:
> June 3.
> 
> 9600: $4995
> 7600: $2995
> 
> 


Thanks for the link.  They look great on paper.  Have you actually seen the
output from either of these printers?  I'm still concerned about metamerism.
I wonder what 'reduced' really means?

Lawrence
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Lawrence Smith 
<lsmith@l...> wrote:
I'm still concerned about metamerism.
> I wonder what 'reduced' really means?

This is a post to the Epson9000 group today, from a guy who 
works for Epson. He mentions, in everyday English, about the 
metamerism effect:

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Just to say a few things about the new printers, I have been 
monitoring this group for more then a year now. I work for the 
Epson 
Europe organisation based in the Netherlands, professional 
graphics. 
As such we deal with LFP.

I am very happy that after many months of silence I can say a few 
things about our new LFP's. During the development of these 
machines 
Epson held many survey's all over the world to make the right 
product. The product that we have today is a result of field 
research. Some of these people that we interviewed are on this 
group.

What triggered me to say something now, is that many people 
were 
negative about the Epson market approach, deaf ears for 
problems,wishes and demandsof customers. So just a few facts 
that 
will prove our way of positioning to be right.

1 The Epson 7600/9600 is the result of market requirement, we 
do not 
educate the market, we just listen.

2 Metamerism effect(appearing in every ink up to some extent) is 
reduced to an acceptable level, according to the people we 
spoke to, 
by adding the light grey. Metamerism is not an ink defect, by the 
way, it was a trade off of pigment inks.

3 Better colour gamut, stronger red etc. The need for Dye with all 
its shortcommings is reduced.

4 Better compatabillity towards 3rd party media.

5 Borderless printing

6 User upgradable firmware ; service tools in driver etc.

7 Very good quality, even on 720 dpi

8 Better price performance

9 Matte ink for better black on non-glossy stock

10 Easy ink change-over

11 Custom removable waste-tank

12 Durachrome ink for the price of Dye(7000/9000)

13 Grey balancer for perfect b/w reproduction

14 Three cutting methods to handle thin medias

I can go on for a while, but I am convinced that the product will 
prove itself in the market. I wanted to say with this mail to those 
who think that we do not know the market, that that says 
something 
about them and not us, because we listened and created a 
product that 
adressed most of the demands from that market.

That's all,

Thanks

On 5/1/02 10:41 AM, "marktuckerdotcom" <mtucker508@...> wrote:

Well, I've pre-odered a 7600.  Delivery is conditional on my approving
output samples.

Lawrence
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http://www.lwsphoto.com
lsmith@...
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I was wondering if anyone would object to the discussion of making 
digital negatives for silver and platinum printing. I know that we very 
often get into long and detailed discussions on inks and printers, but I 
would thing that the production of digital negatives made on ink jet 
printers might be appropriate.

I would be interested in what others are doing, their work flows, their 
successes and their failures.

My platinum darkroom is just about complete. I am waiting for the sink 
and UV exposure vacuum frame to be delivered in the next couple of 
weeks.  In the meantime I am beginning to experiment with digital 
negatives.

On another note, if anyone will be passing through the West Palm Beach 
International Airport, there will be a 4 month exhibition of art  based 
upon the theme "Florida Fauna".  I have had two 18"x18" carbon pigment 
prints selected as part of the exhibition. They were printed on the 
Epson 7000 using MIS FS quads and the Image print IP4 RIP.

Mike

Mike,
> 
> I was wondering if anyone would object to the discussion of making 
> digital negatives for silver and platinum printing. 

I think a discussion of producing digital inkjet negatives for silver 
or alternative process printing would be beneficial. As a matter of 
fact that is why I became involved in inkjet printing to begin with, 
although secretly I enjoy being able to make prints with an inkjet 
printer.

Unfortunately I'm a total neophyte with inkjet printing so I don't 
have much I can contribute to the discussion immediately.

BTW, I thought you had quit platinum/palladium printing a while back 
since you sold all of your palladium salts.

Thanks,

Don Bryant

Don,

Yes, I gave up platinum 1-1/2 years ago for a number of reasons 
including allergy to the Potassium Oxalate. I have found that I have 
a huge demand for platinum prints but I have no desire to build 
enlarged negatives as I once did.

So in comes digital negatives. Now I am once again getting excited 
about printing.

Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy inkjet printing, but I get a lot 
of resistance from galleries. So I figure I can get the best of both 
worlds. The excellent adjustment abilities of Photoshop, and the 
elegance of Platinum/Palladium.

Mike

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "donbga" <donbryant@w...> 
wrote:
> Mike,
> > 
> > I was wondering if anyone would object to the discussion of 
making 
> > digital negatives for silver and platinum printing. 
> 
> I think a discussion of producing digital inkjet negatives for 
silver 
> or alternative process printing would be beneficial. As a matter 
of 
> fact that is why I became involved in inkjet printing to begin 
with, 
> although secretly I enjoy being able to make prints with an inkjet 
> printer.
> 
> Unfortunately I'm a total neophyte with inkjet printing so I don't 
> have much I can contribute to the discussion immediately.
> 
> BTW, I thought you had quit platinum/palladium printing a while 
back 

> since you sold all of your palladium salts.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Don Bryant

I think this would be a great idea.  Some of the benefits of both worlds.

I bought Dan Burkholder's book on Making Digital Negatives a couple of
years ago.  See  http://www.danburkholder.com

In the past he mainly went to imagesetters to produce a digital neg.
I never got to that stage because of the expense and hassle of dealing
with a service bureau.  I'd much rather have something I can do myself.
In the edition I have Dan does have a chapter about Desktop Negatives
using inkjet printers.

Anyway, I'm interested but don't have anything to add yet.
First question is: what tranparency material to use.

Roy


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Michael J. Kravit <mjkaia@k...> wrote:

> 
> I was wondering if anyone would object to the discussion of making 
> digital negatives for silver and platinum printing. I know that we very 
> often get into long and detailed discussions on inks and printers, but I 
> would thing that the production of digital negatives made on ink jet 
> printers might be appropriate.
> 
> I would be interested in what others are doing, their work flows, their 
> successes and their failures.
> 
> My platinum darkroom is just about complete. I am waiting for the sink 
> and UV exposure vacuum frame to be delivered in the next couple of 
> weeks.  In the meantime I am beginning to experiment with digital 
> negatives.
> 
> On another note, if anyone will be passing through the West Palm Beach 
> International Airport, there will be a 4 month exhibition of art  based 
> upon the theme "Florida Fauna".  I have had two 18"x18" carbon pigment 
> prints selected as part of the exhibition. They were printed on the 
> Epson 7000 using MIS FS quads and the Image print IP4 RIP.
> 
> Mike

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "royvharrington" 
<roy@h...> wrote:
> Anyway, I'm interested but don't have anything to add yet.
> First question is: what tranparency material to use.
> 
> Roy

I think that most people experimenting with dek top digital 
negatives have found that Pictorico OHP film takes both pigment 
based and dye inks very well. Drying time is fast, and the film is 
optically clear so as not to impart texture into the image.

Mike