Digital BW, The Print

Hollo Digital Eyes,

I'm truly in this "business" Piezo, Curves , pigmented color, and Dye,
I'm happy with it..My hasselblades and my three Epson 1290's (1280 in 
US) and my minolta multi pro etc MF scanner!

However I am honest and in my photoclubs now I am regarded as 
an "experimental photographer" - I made certainly good prints on the 
epsons.

*But* I left those lovely photoclubs of mine - as I was only allowed 
to be in the corner of "experimental photoes" - and I can't and have 
no power left to defend my photoes ("Epson experimental print - that 
is!!!???)

At start I did say nothing - just put them in the B/W and color-
section - and did *very* *very* good --UNTIL I told them my technics -
and that was nothing odd about it - about the same job as in the 
darkroom - ahh .. you know all this!

Being member of two Photoclubs - suddenly they told me to keep the 
groups in competision or exhibition "CLEAN" - that is that I was put 
in the corner as an "experimental photographer" in the "left corner".

I'm now a passive member of those clubs doing it on my own - and plan 
to make my own exhibitions in the future. If I have the power to do 
that alone....Most of You certainly know the job with that.
By being a passiv member I contribute anyhow to yhe "youngsters" and 
others interested in the *PICTURE*.

What do You feel - is all photography to be "cleaned out" in silver 
only and true "wet" darkroom colorphotoes?

I have a wet darkroom but mostly now for developing films and helping 
my teenagers to learn "photography" as my father tuoght me!

In a sence I feel they are right - if only the "technic" and material 
used are the main factor....but stop....hmmmm...the *pic*??????

But for me - there has been only one thing the whole time - the 
*picture* - and that *picture* shall be placed under the technic 
used - any time.

OK - before that - I was also against any photocompetision!
No art can compete!
Wich one is best Mozart, Bethoven, Beatles ..etc..thing??? For me it 
like placing the art of *picture* under other expressive arts. It 
make photographing rediculuos compared to other artforms.
But that's another issue - however as important as the "experimental 
shelf" as I was put into.

Some photoclubs near Copenhagen???? - that can take me for an 
ordinary photographer ( I live in Sweden but has only two hours to 
get there!)

I'm 55++ and have done film as well - and have temper and a will to 
express myself through the *picture* still or moving!
I also do drawings! Nothing there is "experimental" for sure.

Are not this photclubs doing the art of picture - ridiculous???
Lowering the common feeling for a *picture* taken by an photographer!

Fiat Lux (Let There be Light!)

Regards
Bo Wrangborg
Moderator of just openened Minolta Multi Pro Yahoo group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/multipro 
WBG-film
Sweden

Hallo,

For the first time I got all answers by E-mail....
Yes...just plenty of E-Mails....
US as well as Europe!!!!
Many! Plenty!

***All discribing honesty or not honesty.***

Also telling Clubs and the Establishment are saying somwhat:
"They are computermade - not real photoes!" ???????????????

To coment those letters it gave a feeling like:

"I'm afraid just going on.. OR is in the corner of "experimental 
photoes"(the honest ones)!!!!!!

Real pros. not telling what method they use - just put it there ...
I'm frightend - I invested *gold* in this! (And will continue!)

Is there some place (excluding the print exchange!) that this
kind of doing *real pics* and are "house-trained"...

For me this is a major issue!

Shall we not discuss this - or shut up?
Sending each others letters - how superiour our *pics* are?

Just being some sort of internal club OR *fight* for it!

Enlighten clubs and the Establishment that here we are!?!?!?

The "shut up" thing just now seems the most appealing for me!

Is not the *Picture* above the technics used?

For sure that was tender spot???

???????????????????????

In other artforms this would be rediculus - but we bedded for it
in a way - "photo competitions" - making photografing somewhat 
suspect! 

This was one of my most interesting experince since I started 
this "digital photomaking"......

Remarkable indeed!

Who are we? What do we do? Why is it this way?

In short - dare anyone take this up to surface 

Now I now something - the only spoaksman here was CONE and it's men!
- Giving this a try! And the money spend there was for the fight of 
it!!! Good!!

Is it so - those who succeeded ..hmmm.. shut up about technics?
Many admitting that's the case....

Is this an internal club - not fighting for it's place among other 
artforms??


Fiat Lux! (Let Thee be Light!)

Bo Wrangborg
Sweden






--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "sm7bxd" <sm7bxd@y...> 
wrote:
> Hollo Digital Eyes,
> 
> I'm truly in this "business" Piezo, Curves , pigmented color, and 
Dye,
> I'm happy with it..My hasselblades and my three Epson 1290's (1280 
in 
> US) and my minolta multi pro etc MF scanner!
> 
> However I am honest and in my photoclubs now I am regarded as 
> an "experimental photographer" - I made certainly good prints on 
the 
> epsons.
> 
> *But* I left those lovely photoclubs of mine - as I was only 
allowed 
> to be in the corner of "experimental photoes" - and I can't and 
have 
> no power left to defend my photoes ("Epson experimental print - 
that 
> is!!!???)
> 
> At start I did say nothing - just put them in the B/W and color-
> section - and did *very* *very* good --UNTIL I told them my 
technics -
> and that was nothing odd about it - about the same job as in the 
> darkroom - ahh .. you know all this!
> 
> Being member of two Photoclubs - suddenly they told me to keep the 
> groups in competision or exhibition "CLEAN" - that is that I was 
put 
> in the corner as an "experimental photographer" in the "left 
corner".
> 
> I'm now a passive member of those clubs doing it on my own - and 
plan 
> to make my own exhibitions in the future. If I have the power to do 
> that alone....Most of You certainly know the job with that.
> By being a passiv member I contribute anyhow to yhe "youngsters" 
and 
> others interested in the *PICTURE*.
> 
> What do You feel - is all photography to be "cleaned out" in silver 
> only and true "wet" darkroom colorphotoes?
> 
> I have a wet darkroom but mostly now for developing films and 
helping 
> my teenagers to learn "photography" as my father tuoght me!
> 
> In a sence I feel they are right - if only the "technic" and 
material 
> used are the main factor....but stop....hmmmm...the *pic*??????
> 
> But for me - there has been only one thing the whole time - the 
> *picture* - and that *picture* shall be placed under the technic 
> used - any time.
> 
> OK - before that - I was also against any photocompetision!
> No art can compete!
> Wich one is best Mozart, Bethoven, Beatles ..etc..thing??? For me 
it 
> like placing the art of *picture* under other expressive arts. It 
> make photographing rediculuos compared to other artforms.
> But that's another issue - however as important as 
the "experimental 
> shelf" as I was put into.
> 
> Some photoclubs near Copenhagen???? - that can take me for an 
> ordinary photographer ( I live in Sweden but has only two hours to 
> get there!)
> 
> I'm 55++ and have done film as well - and have temper and a will to 
> express myself through the *picture* still or moving!
> I also do drawings! Nothing there is "experimental" for sure.
> 
> Are not this photclubs doing the art of picture - ridiculous???
> Lowering the common feeling for a *picture* taken by an 
photographer!

> 
> Fiat Lux (Let There be Light!)
> 
> Regards
> Bo Wrangborg
> Moderator of just openened Minolta Multi Pro Yahoo group
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/multipro 
> WBG-film
> Sweden