Digital BW, The Print

> 
> Ouch! Double ouch!
> 
> Sorry to make you feel that I was disingenuous. I have not been. It is
> complicated without giving away the technology (the farm). The only ink
> position we stated that there is anything but pigment in, is the black ink
> position. However, these materials have not been used as a dyestuff in any
> other application that we know of, yet we are using them to act as a
> dyestuff. Whether one argues the material is or is not a dyestuff is pretty=
> 
> immaterial. We did something cool and unique and advanced the technology
> with it. The inkset is real. It does not warm up like other inksets. It is
> the most stable on the market.
> 
> I have always been forthcoming in stating when there is dye in my inks. I
> did that early on with the PiezographyBW inks. I am sorry to have stated to=
> 
> you that there wasn't dyestuff in these. I can easily see why you would hav=
> 
> e
> felt that way. However, I am surprised to see your reaction (the use of the=
> 
> word disingenuous). If you want disingenuous, go test quad inks whose
> manufacturer and proponents state they are pure pigment and watch the
> warm
> fade. Warm fading is the dye components of a formula fading out fast while
> the underlying carbon (which is brownish black) holds out.
> 
> TO CLARIFY:
> There is no doubt that something in addition to carbon black has been used
> in the black ink position. The dMax of that ink position is too
> extraordinary for there not to be. It may be dyestuff, it may not be
> dyestuff. Or rather it may have not been dyestuff, but being used as
> dyestuff it may be dyestuff now.
> 
> In the other 3 gray positions, no materials other than pigment and colorles=
> 
> s
> ink-base have been used.
> 
> The 3 gray positions are not dilutions of the black position, nor are they
> dilutions of the darkest gray. Each has been formulated separately to creat=
> 
> e
> a great product.
> 
> Any warm fading of the black position ink will be negligible because it is
> printed in combination with the other gray position inks using the
> PiezographyBW driver. While others prefer to use RGB workflow with the
> EPSON
> driver, we believe our driver is still superior to RGB workflows at this
> point. The RGB workflows may or may not use more amount of black ink in the=
> 
> dMax but there is still ample foundation of gray positions. It would be
> surprising (positive) to find out that the PiezoTone inks are being used
> with the Roark and Woolf curves instead of PiezographyBW software.
> 
> No matter how you look at it, or dissect it, PiezoTones are the best quad
> inks going and are very genuine! Beware imitations!!!!! :)
> 
> I hope that this answers all your questions by the way.
> 
> --------------------------------
> may your highlights be dotless
> and your tonal scale smooth,
> 
> Jon Cone
> jon@c...
> Piezography(tm) software and inks
> http://www.piezography.com
> 
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> quad black image test??
> 
> -Jeff

> That is what does not add up between the Roark fader test and the Cone
> test. If the Piezotone black warms on its own.. much more then the MIS
> black one the Black only test... how could that be reversed on the full
> quad black image test??
> 
> -Jeff

> 
> Jeff,
> 
> It is not a reversal. Paul only tested the spare tire.
> 
> It is simple really. The full PiezoTone inkset is not made from the
> black ink anyway, as reported here. That is why. Paul tests only the
> black inks when he did so. The PiezoTone black warmed as he claimed in
> the 50% patch but that 50% of the black does not print with the
> software so it is even irrelevant.
> 
> Paul says he does not intend to mislead but thought that the
> PiezoTones would all be diluted from the black because he has
> knowledge that MIS do it that way. Cone does not do it that way. The
> full PiezoTone set does not fade warm, but the MIS full set does fade
> warm and this even Paul admitted to earlier. And this is what the
> users of it are reporting too. They say in the same time of use the
> MIS inks and the older PiezographyBW inks both would fade to the warm
> but the PiezoTones do not.
> 
> -della
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jeff Magidson <jeffm@g...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Jerry Olson wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Todd,
> > >
> > > I have seen the stepwedges of Piezotones black ink that were left
> in a
> > > fade tester
> > > for 100 hours. They faded quite badly. Very sepia.  Do you think
> it
> > > possible for a wedge made with all the colors would prevent the
> black
> > > from fading?
> > >
> >
> > That is what does not add up between the Roark fader test and the
> Cone
> > test. If the Piezotone black warms on its own.. much more then the
> MIS
> > black one the Black only test... how could that be reversed on the
> full
> > quad black image test??
> >
> > -Jeff
> 
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