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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Soft focus / Posterization

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Soft focus / Posterization

2002-06-17 by David Myers

Jon, I have to agree completely with you. I often, when working with nudes,
will use PhotoRag with the Wells River profile.  It just works a little
better at times.

How do you go about adjusting local contrast? With a mask and the curves?

David Myers
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Zax [mailto:lotus@...]
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:39 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Soft focus / Posterization


I'm sorry I got on to this thread late because I have run into the 
described problem myself.

I run a digital imaging studio and print for a lot of different 
photographers so I see more varied
files than most.

I have tested several of the popular inks and workflows, currently using 
the MIS FS and the cone driver.

The "posterizing" and sometimes "edge breaks" are most evident in 
portraits and nudes but do
occur in other types of images.

My experience leads me to believe one of the basic problems with gray 
ink printing is that at the
precise tonallity where the different gray inks "cross over"undesireable 
things can happen.

The choice of papers does affect how this effect occurs, because of how 
each paper responds to different coverage.

I have had some sucess curing this problem by mismatching profiles and 
their papers.

Otherwise I alter the local contrast of the file where the tonal problem 
is manifested.

If one has not seen this ocuring, they are either extremely lucky or 
they are simply not viewing
their prints objectively enough.

Broken up histograms have almost no bearing on this "posterization" that 
I'm specifically referencing.

J.Z. 



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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Soft focus / Posterization

2002-06-17 by Jeff Magidson

Jon Zax wrote:
> 
> I'm sorry I got on to this thread late because I have run into the
> described problem myself.
> 
> I run a digital imaging studio and print for a lot of different
> photographers so I see more varied
> files than most.
> 
> I have tested several of the popular inks and workflows, currently using
> the MIS FS and the cone driver.
> 
> The "posterizing" and sometimes "edge breaks" are most evident in
> portraits and nudes but do
> occur in other types of images.
> 
> My experience leads me to believe one of the basic problems with gray
> ink printing is that at the
> precise tonallity where the different gray inks "cross over"undesireable
> things can happen.
> 
> The choice of papers does affect how this effect occurs, because of how
> each paper responds to different coverage.
> 
> I have had some sucess curing this problem by mismatching profiles and
> their papers.
> 
> Otherwise I alter the local contrast of the file where the tonal problem
> is manifested.
> 
> If one has not seen this ocuring, they are either extremely lucky or
> they are simply not viewing
> their prints objectively enough.
> 
> Broken up histograms have almost no bearing on this "posterization" that
> I'm specifically referencing.
> 
> J.Z.


John;

Thanks for your input on this problem. I have noticed that the latest
Cone driver allows printing in 16 bit. I wonder if using a 16 bit
workflow from start to finish would help these challenging images?

-Jeff

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