Digital BW, The Print

Hi All,

I have gotten some off-list messages from people who have suddenly stopped getting e-mail from the group, we not able to subscriber or who are still getting mail after unsubscribing. I have been getting some double and triple copies of some posts. I would guess that there are probably others of you out there in similar situations.

My own attempts at correcting these problems through the limited tools Yahoo provides to Moderators have not helped.

So it looks like Yahoo is going through one of its periodic minor meltdowns. They usually seem to clear up in a few days so hang in there. Don't hesitate to contact me though if you are having a problem. I can at least give you a status report on your membership.

Martin 




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Saturday, June 29, 2002, 8:59:28 PM, Martin Wesley wrote:

MW> Hi All,

MW> I have gotten some off-list messages from people who have suddenly stopped getting e-mail from the group, we not able to subscriber or who are still getting mail after unsubscribing. I have been
MW> getting some double and triple copies of some posts. I would guess that there are probably others of you out there in similar situations.

MW> My own attempts at correcting these problems through the limited tools Yahoo provides to Moderators have not helped.

MW> So it looks like Yahoo is going through one of its periodic minor meltdowns. They usually seem to clear up in a few days so hang in there. Don't hesitate to contact me though if you are having a
MW> problem. I can at least give you a status report on your membership.

MW> Martin 

Started happening to me about a week and a half ago---all emails from
Yahoo groups just stopped. I changed my settings at Yahoo Groups to
another of my email addresses and they started coming again. Since
then I changed it back to again, and now works fine with the original
email address. Go figure.


Best regards,
 Richard  

mailto:richard@...

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Richard Sintchak" <richard@...>
To: "Martin Wesley" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Yahoo List Problems


(snip)

> 
> Started happening to me about a week and a half ago---all emails from
> Yahoo groups just stopped. I changed my settings at Yahoo Groups to
> another of my email addresses and they started coming again. Since
> then I changed it back to again, and now works fine with the original
> email address. Go figure.

> 
Richard,

Thanks for the feedback and the tip. Go Yahoo!

Martin

Hi Martin.   For two days I have attempted to discontinue emials to me from 
the list and instead view the posts via the web.  I have been unable to stop 
the emails.  I am going to be out of town for several weeks.  Any help you 
can render is greatly appreciated.  John Carroll


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John, et al:

Before I went on vacation from June 5 - 19 I attempted to discontinue
e-mails from the list for that time.  I had to try several times before the
settings "took".  I experienced the same thing when I returned; it took a
couple of days before I was getting individual e-mails again.  I'm on a Mac,
using Outlook Express, for what it's worth.  My ISP is the University of
Massachusetts.


Stephen Petegorsky
petegorsky@...
www.spphoto.com

John, Stephen, All,

Well Yahoo definitely is wandering around in the ozone again with the
groups. As Stephen pointed out it seems to take several days for changes to
go into effect so multiple attempts to make changes may actually delay
things but I have no way of knowing for sure.

If you are trying to stop e-mail then the fastest and most effective cure is
to use the message tools in you e-mail software (Tools>Message Rules>Blocked
Senders, in Outlook Express) to block any in coming messages from the Group
and then turn it off when you get back.

For those of you who have stopped getting e-mail I have no solution other
than Richard's earlier suggestion to try an alternate e-mail address if you
have one. Might even try a free Yahoo address and have messages forwarded to
your regular address. But again be patient as it may take a few days for the
changes to take place. Or create a whole new Yahoo account, you can have
multiples, and try working through that.

Martin Wesley
http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



----- Original Message -----
From: <johnfc1022@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Yahoo List Problems


> Hi Martin.   For two days I have attempted to discontinue emials to me
from
> the list and instead view the posts via the web.  I have been unable to
stop
> the emails.  I am going to be out of town for several weeks.  Any help you
> can render is greatly appreciated.  John Carroll
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - Include your full name with your message.
> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep
them short.
> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or
"flames."
> - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various
resources on the homepage.

>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

In view of these new Yahoo problems, I thought I should mention a situation 
with cookies.

I used to set my cookie prefs to "ask for each site". This way I could easily 
decline marketing cookies and accept needed ones (subscriptions, accounts 
etc).

A few months ago, Yahoo changed its behaviour and locked me out of its 
groups unless I set my prefs to "accept all cookies". This was clearly a new 
move on their part as it didn't affect  getting to my account settings or yahoo 
email. Just the groups. IOW, with cookies set to "ask", neither my group 
membership was recognized nor my moderator or owner status.

The moral of the story - besides how aggressive Yahoo has become with its 
marketing practices - is to check your cookie prefs in relation to any changes 
of status to your Yahoo groups. 

It's getting weirder....


Antonis

<and good luck contacting Yahoo about any of this>

My Internet Explorer cookie prefs are "decline" together with "never 
ask", and they don't seem to give me a problem with Yahoo on my Mac. 
I haven't tried "ask for each site" lately.

Sam McCandless                samcc@...

>In view of these new Yahoo problems, I thought I should mention a situation
>with cookies.
>
>I used to set my cookie prefs to "ask for each site". This way I could easily
>decline marketing cookies and accept needed ones (subscriptions, accounts
>etc).
>
>A few months ago, Yahoo changed its behaviour and locked me out of its
>groups unless I set my prefs to "accept all cookies". This was clearly a new
>move on their part as it didn't affect  getting to my account 
>settings or yahoo
>email. Just the groups. IOW, with cookies set to "ask", neither my group
>membership was recognized nor my moderator or owner status.
>
>The moral of the story - besides how aggressive Yahoo has become with its
>marketing practices - is to check your cookie prefs in relation to any changes
>of status to your Yahoo groups.
>
>It's getting weirder....
>
>
>Antonis
>
><and good luck contacting Yahoo about any of this>

The last time Yahoo got to be such a pain, there was some talk of 
alternatives. And I think it was concluded then that there was no 
better "free" - except for the pain - alternative to Yahoo. I can't 
remember whether there was no better pay-for-it alternative or 
whether a pay-for-it list was thought not feasible. But I think I'd 
rather pay to subscribe than put up with Yahoo.

Sam McCandless            samcc@...

>In view of these new Yahoo problems, I thought I should mention a situation
>with cookies.
>
>I used to set my cookie prefs to "ask for each site". This way I could easily
>decline marketing cookies and accept needed ones (subscriptions, accounts
>etc).
>
>A few months ago, Yahoo changed its behaviour and locked me out of its
>groups unless I set my prefs to "accept all cookies". This was clearly a new
>move on their part as it didn't affect  getting to my account 
>settings or yahoo
>email. Just the groups. IOW, with cookies set to "ask", neither my group
>membership was recognized nor my moderator or owner status.
>
>The moral of the story - besides how aggressive Yahoo has become with its
>marketing practices - is to check your cookie prefs in relation to any changes
>of status to your Yahoo groups.
>
>It's getting weirder....
>
>
>Antonis
>
><and good luck contacting Yahoo about any of this>

I'm with Sam, if we get to vote I'd pay to move this forum
from Yahoo. Of course I'm biased, as I'm one of those that
had my messages from Yahoo go missing for ~ several weeks.
That wouldn't be so bad except for the fact that Yahoo is
a black hole when it comes to trying to resolve such problems.
Even AOL is better at resolving problems.

My inquiries to Yahoo attempting to resolve the problems
with groups  go unanswered.

My own theory is that Yahoo has a filter that trashes any inquires
for help. The moderators of this list are helpful but have about
the same power to resolve such problems as do the users.
Chow,
JimD

At 08:24 AM 7/1/2002 -0700, Sam A. McCandless wrote:

>The last time Yahoo got to be such a pain, there was some talk of
>alternatives. And I think it was concluded then that there was no
>better "free" - except for the pain - alternative to Yahoo. I can't
>remember whether there was no better pay-for-it alternative or
>whether a pay-for-it list was thought not feasible. But I think I'd
>rather pay to subscribe than put up with Yahoo.
>
>Sam McCandless            samcc@...

well my problem is fixed somehow - now receiving emails!
Julian (was that a loud groan from the back somewhere??)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam A. McCandless" <samcc@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 5:24 PM
Subject: Is Yahoo's not-free lunch worth the pain? (was [Digital BW] Re:
Yahoo List Problems - cookies)


> The last time Yahoo got to be such a pain, there was some talk of
> alternatives. And I think it was concluded then that there was no
> better "free" - except for the pain - alternative to Yahoo. I can't
> remember whether there was no better pay-for-it alternative or
> whether a pay-for-it list was thought not feasible. But I think I'd
> rather pay to subscribe than put up with Yahoo.
>
> Sam McCandless            samcc@...
>
>
> >In view of these new Yahoo problems, I thought I should mention a
situation
> >with cookies.
> >
> >I used to set my cookie prefs to "ask for each site". This way I could
easily
> >decline marketing cookies and accept needed ones (subscriptions, accounts
> >etc).
> >
> >A few months ago, Yahoo changed its behaviour and locked me out of its
> >groups unless I set my prefs to "accept all cookies". This was clearly a
new
> >move on their part as it didn't affect  getting to my account
> >settings or yahoo
> >email. Just the groups. IOW, with cookies set to "ask", neither my group
> >membership was recognized nor my moderator or owner status.
> >
> >The moral of the story - besides how aggressive Yahoo has become with its
> >marketing practices - is to check your cookie prefs in relation to any
changes
> >of status to your Yahoo groups.
> >
> >It's getting weirder....
> >
> >
> >Antonis
> >
> ><and good luck contacting Yahoo about any of this>
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - Include your full name with your message.
> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep
them short.
> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or
"flames."
> - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various
resources on the homepage.

>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

Have been using some heavy coated paper...Hahnemule Photo Rag 308 in 
the 1270 with MIS inksets.  After the first cartridge went through, 
it seems the platen or whatever the intake wheels are called is 
starting to slip and I have to take each sheet and give it a nudge to 
go through.  I suspect that the culprit is the coating put on the 
paper to keep the ink from soaking in.

Any suggestions on how to clean the paper intake mechanism and wheels 
to get it back going again on it's own?  I set the paper setting to + 
(plus) to allow for this thick paper.

Bill Agee
-- 

b i l l  a g e e  s t u d i o
c a p i s t r a n o  b e a c h  c a l i f o r n i a

billagee@...
http://www.redsilver.com

Do you have an old "loading support sheet" like comes with each box of Epson
Archival Matte paper?  You might try using that and see if it helps your
feeding problems.  Just a thought...

Doug