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2002-07-12 by Stephen Kundell, MD
Mat Source (818-956-6117) has very good prices if you order 25 of the same mats. I have done this, specifying rag mats and archival foam core, even specifying the manufacturer. (how about $13 each,25pcs total, for a 20x24" double mat rag and artcare foam core backboard). They ship. Ask for Martine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-07-12 by Paul Roark
I'm planning on attending the Southern California meeting of interested people on this forum this Saturday. It's in the Thousand Oaks area. (Contact Frank Kolwicz [bb389@...] for more information.) While I'm down there, I thought I'd check some prices. In particular, I need some foam core. Does anyone know if there is a good, cheap source of 22x28 foam core in the Thousand Oaks area? Is all foam core created equal, or is some more archival than others? I've noticed that my local drugstore is cheaper than Light Impressions, and I'm suspicious that the product is the same. Hope to see some of you at the Saturday meeting. I'll bring some of my recent prints as well as some test strips on EAM, Photo Rag and Somerset Enhanced printed by a 7000 with MIS VM inks and the new, cross-platform curves. Paul http://www.PaulRoark.com
2002-07-12 by Steadman Uhlich
Not all foamcore is created equally. If you just need a cheap support...buy the cheap stuff. If you are mounting or supporting an "archival" high quality print...use the good stuff. I personally only use "Acid Free" foamcore boards I buy by the case. This is not an issue with the foam...it is the papers surrounding the foam that matter. They cost twice as much (or thereabouts) but the paper surfaces are acid free. They have a "warm white" paper surface that is not bright white like the cheap stuff. There are a couple of manufacturers (BienFang is one and I believe Crescent has another) and this is usually available via special order from a good framing supplier (though you may need to buy a case of 32x40 sheets like I did). This is not for everybody... "I like cotton...and it likes me..." As an aside, all of my prints are printed on acid free 100% cotton rag paper, all of my mats are 100% rag cotton, I only use acid free mounts and acid free linen tapes, and even acid free backing papers on the frames (also more expensive and...admitedly going to extreme). This makes it very simple...everything used in the printing, mounting, and framing (not necessarily the frames themselves) is acid free. You can also buy barrier tape to prevent migration of acid from frames to mats. (If you want to be really complete). Of course I also don't use EAM because by my testing (of which I am satisfied...to each his own) it is acidic. (wink) And...just to note...most framing shops choose the cheapest materials available for standard framing. This means they usually use the least expensive (acid) mounting boards (or foamcore) or corrugated cardboard (acid) or kraft paper (acid) and sometimes mats that are not acid free. You really need to check and specify and even "test" occasionally. Of course you can also pay extra for the good stuff too... Hope that helps, Steadman
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 11:45 AM
To: DigitalB&WPrint
Subject: [Digital BW] So. Cal. Meeting Saturday & Foam Core
I'm planning on attending the Southern California meeting of interested
people on this forum this Saturday. It's in the Thousand Oaks area.
(Contact Frank Kolwicz [bb389@...] for more information.)
While I'm down there, I thought I'd check some prices. In particular, I
need some foam core.
Does anyone know if there is a good, cheap source of 22x28 foam core in
the
Thousand Oaks area?
Is all foam core created equal, or is some more archival than others?
I've
noticed that my local drugstore is cheaper than Light Impressions, and I'm
suspicious that the product is the same.
Hope to see some of you at the Saturday meeting. I'll bring some of my
recent prints as well as some test strips on EAM, Photo Rag and Somerset
Enhanced printed by a 7000 with MIS VM inks and the new, cross-platform
curves.
Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2002-07-12 by Paul Roark
Steadman, Thanks for the good info. What I've done in the past with cheap backing/support materials is to put an aluminum foil barrier between the back support and the acid-free mounting board. Any thoughts on whether this procedure works? Paul _______________________________
-----Original Message-----
From: Steadman Uhlich [mailto:steadmanuhlich@...]
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:07 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Foam Core: The Good Stuff is Acid Free
Not all foamcore is created equally.
If you just need a cheap support...buy the cheap stuff.
If you are mounting or supporting an "archival" high quality print...use
the
good stuff.
I personally only use "Acid Free" foamcore boards I buy by the case. This
is not an issue with the foam...it is the papers surrounding the foam that
matter. They cost twice as much (or thereabouts) but the paper surfaces
are
acid free. They have a "warm white" paper surface that is not bright
white
like the cheap stuff. There are a couple of manufacturers (BienFang is
one
and I believe Crescent has another) and this is usually available via
special order from a good framing supplier (though you may need to buy a
case of 32x40 sheets like I did).
This is not for everybody...
"I like cotton...and it likes me..."
As an aside, all of my prints are printed on acid free 100% cotton rag
paper, all of my mats are 100% rag cotton, I only use acid free mounts and
acid free linen tapes, and even acid free backing papers on the frames
(also
more expensive and...admitedly going to extreme). This makes it very
simple...everything used in the printing, mounting, and framing (not
necessarily the frames themselves) is acid free.
You can also buy barrier tape to prevent migration of acid from frames to
mats. (If you want to be really complete).
Of course I also don't use EAM because by my testing (of which I am
satisfied...to each his own) it is acidic. (wink)
And...just to note...most framing shops choose the cheapest materials
available for standard framing. This means they usually use the least
expensive (acid) mounting boards (or foamcore) or corrugated cardboard
(acid) or kraft paper (acid) and sometimes mats that are not acid free.
You
really need to check and specify and even "test" occasionally. Of course
you can also pay extra for the good stuff too...
Hope that helps,
Steadman
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 11:45 AM
To: DigitalB&WPrint
Subject: [Digital BW] So. Cal. Meeting Saturday & Foam Core
I'm planning on attending the Southern California meeting of interested
people on this forum this Saturday. It's in the Thousand Oaks area.
(Contact Frank Kolwicz [bb389@...] for more information.)
While I'm down there, I thought I'd check some prices. In particular, I
need some foam core.
Does anyone know if there is a good, cheap source of 22x28 foam core in
the
Thousand Oaks area?
Is all foam core created equal, or is some more archival than others?
I've
noticed that my local drugstore is cheaper than Light Impressions, and
I'm
suspicious that the product is the same.
Hope to see some of you at the Saturday meeting. I'll bring some of my
recent prints as well as some test strips on EAM, Photo Rag and Somerset
Enhanced printed by a 7000 with MIS VM inks and the new, cross-platform
curves.
Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2002-07-12 by Steadman Uhlich
Sure it could work. But extra effort and expense...and yet another layer too. Some of my frames have shallower rabbets and I am pushing to get the 4ply+8ply+fine art paper+glass+foamcore into the frame... Of course I just have a desire to keep it simple, efficient and acid-free too. I think that saves money in the long run. The barrier tape I mentioned usually has some acid-free paper covering a "foil" tape....and is used to prevent the wood of frames from contacting mounts or mats. It is expensive (relatively) but it is the complete touch. If you have a resale license, you should be able to open an account with a framing supply distributor who can sell you this stuff wholesale. That is what I do. Hope that helps. By the way, from what I have seen you produce high quality images...would be a shame to put them in low quality materials. Regards...and keep working on that sepia stuff please. Steadman
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 12:30 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Foam Core: The Good Stuff is Acid Free
Steadman,
Thanks for the good info.
What I've done in the past with cheap backing/support materials is to put
an
aluminum foil barrier between the back support and the acid-free mounting
board. Any thoughts on whether this procedure works?
Paul
_______________________________
-----Original Message-----
From: Steadman Uhlich [mailto:steadmanuhlich@...]
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:07 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Foam Core: The Good Stuff is Acid Free
Not all foamcore is created equally.
If you just need a cheap support...buy the cheap stuff.
If you are mounting or supporting an "archival" high quality print...use
the
good stuff.
I personally only use "Acid Free" foamcore boards I buy by the case.
This
is not an issue with the foam...it is the papers surrounding the foam
that
matter. They cost twice as much (or thereabouts) but the paper surfaces
are
acid free. They have a "warm white" paper surface that is not bright
white
like the cheap stuff. There are a couple of manufacturers (BienFang is
one
and I believe Crescent has another) and this is usually available via
special order from a good framing supplier (though you may need to buy a
case of 32x40 sheets like I did).
This is not for everybody...
"I like cotton...and it likes me..."
As an aside, all of my prints are printed on acid free 100% cotton rag
paper, all of my mats are 100% rag cotton, I only use acid free mounts
and
acid free linen tapes, and even acid free backing papers on the frames
(also
more expensive and...admitedly going to extreme). This makes it very
simple...everything used in the printing, mounting, and framing (not
necessarily the frames themselves) is acid free.
You can also buy barrier tape to prevent migration of acid from frames
to
mats. (If you want to be really complete).
Of course I also don't use EAM because by my testing (of which I am
satisfied...to each his own) it is acidic. (wink)
And...just to note...most framing shops choose the cheapest materials
available for standard framing. This means they usually use the least
expensive (acid) mounting boards (or foamcore) or corrugated cardboard
(acid) or kraft paper (acid) and sometimes mats that are not acid free.
You
really need to check and specify and even "test" occasionally. Of
course
you can also pay extra for the good stuff too...
Hope that helps,
Steadman
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 11:45 AM
To: DigitalB&WPrint
Subject: [Digital BW] So. Cal. Meeting Saturday & Foam Core
I'm planning on attending the Southern California meeting of
interested
people on this forum this Saturday. It's in the Thousand Oaks area.
(Contact Frank Kolwicz [bb389@...] for more information.)
While I'm down there, I thought I'd check some prices. In particular,
I
need some foam core.
Does anyone know if there is a good, cheap source of 22x28 foam core
in
the
Thousand Oaks area?
Is all foam core created equal, or is some more archival than others?
I've
noticed that my local drugstore is cheaper than Light Impressions, and
I'm
suspicious that the product is the same.
Hope to see some of you at the Saturday meeting. I'll bring some of
my
recent prints as well as some test strips on EAM, Photo Rag and
Somerset
Enhanced printed by a 7000 with MIS VM inks and the new,
cross-platform
curves.
Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2002-07-12 by p5198
Paul, FWIW, I have some silver prints on resin-coated paper from the early seventies. They were dry-mounted to shirt cardboards(!)with an aluminum foil barrier between. The cardboard is yellowed and stained; the prints are astonishingly well preserved. No change in them whatsoever as far as I can tell. Bob Bollini --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > Steadman, > > Thanks for the good info. > > What I've done in the past with cheap backing/support materials is to put an > aluminum foil barrier between the back support and the acid-free mounting > board. Any thoughts on whether this procedure works? > > Paul > _______________________________ > -----Original Message----- > From: Steadman Uhlich [mailto:steadmanuhlich@k...] > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:07 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y... > Subject: [Digital BW] Foam Core: The Good Stuff is Acid Free > > > Not all foamcore is created equally. > > If you just need a cheap support...buy the cheap stuff. > > If you are mounting or supporting an "archival" high quality print...use > the > good stuff. > > I personally only use "Acid Free" foamcore boards I buy by the case. This > is not an issue with the foam...it is the papers surrounding the foam that > matter. They cost twice as much (or thereabouts) but the paper surfaces > are > acid free. They have a "warm white" paper surface that is not bright > white > like the cheap stuff. There are a couple of manufacturers (BienFang is > one > and I believe Crescent has another) and this is usually available via > special order from a good framing supplier (though you may need to buy a > case of 32x40 sheets like I did). > > This is not for everybody... > > "I like cotton...and it likes me..." > > As an aside, all of my prints are printed on acid free 100% cotton rag > paper, all of my mats are 100% rag cotton, I only use acid free mounts and > acid free linen tapes, and even acid free backing papers on the frames > (also > more expensive and...admitedly going to extreme). This makes it very > simple...everything used in the printing, mounting, and framing (not > necessarily the frames themselves) is acid free. > > You can also buy barrier tape to prevent migration of acid from frames to > mats. (If you want to be really complete). > > Of course I also don't use EAM because by my testing (of which I am > satisfied...to each his own) it is acidic. (wink) > > And...just to note...most framing shops choose the cheapest materials > available for standard framing. This means they usually use the least > expensive (acid) mounting boards (or foamcore) or corrugated cardboard > (acid) or kraft paper (acid) and sometimes mats that are not acid free. > You > really need to check and specify and even "test" occasionally. Of course > you can also pay extra for the good stuff too... > > Hope that helps, > > Steadman > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@v...] > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 11:45 AM > To: DigitalB&WPrint > Subject: [Digital BW] So. Cal. Meeting Saturday & Foam Core > > > I'm planning on attending the Southern California meeting of interested > people on this forum this Saturday. It's in the Thousand Oaks area. > (Contact Frank Kolwicz [bb389@l...] for more information.) > > While I'm down there, I thought I'd check some prices. In particular, I > need some foam core. > > Does anyone know if there is a good, cheap source of 22x28 foam core in > the > Thousand Oaks area? > > Is all foam core created equal, or is some more archival than others? > I've > noticed that my local drugstore is cheaper than Light Impressions, and > I'm > suspicious that the product is the same. > > Hope to see some of you at the Saturday meeting. I'll bring some of my > recent prints as well as some test strips on EAM, Photo Rag and Somerset > Enhanced printed by a 7000 with MIS VM inks and the new, cross-platform > curves. > > Paul > http://www.PaulRoark.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and > other resources as they are often being updated. 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2002-07-12 by ternahan
Paul, I don't know about down south, but RC Thompson is Sacramento is very reasonable and accepts resale. happy shopping! t
> From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> > Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:45:20 -0700 > To: "DigitalB&WPrint" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [Digital BW] So. Cal. Meeting Saturday & Foam Core > > I'm planning on attending the Southern California meeting of interested > people on this forum this Saturday. It's in the Thousand Oaks area. > (Contact Frank Kolwicz [bb389@...] for more information.) > > While I'm down there, I thought I'd check some prices. In particular, I > need some foam core. > > Does anyone know if there is a good, cheap source of 22x28 foam core in the > Thousand Oaks area? > > Is all foam core created equal, or is some more archival than others? I've > noticed that my local drugstore is cheaper than Light Impressions, and I'm > suspicious that the product is the same. > > Hope to see some of you at the Saturday meeting. I'll bring some of my > recent prints as well as some test strips on EAM, Photo Rag and Somerset > Enhanced printed by a 7000 with MIS VM inks and the new, cross-platform > curves. > > Paul > http://www.PaulRoark.com > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >