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Re: [Digital BW] Photo Rag longevity versus EHM with Epsondyeinks?

Re: [Digital BW] Photo Rag longevity versus EHM with Epsondyeinks?

2002-07-15 by Jerry Olson

Ah, you mean coated like a fiber paper, not an rc paper?  That would be
interesting.  There is no where to buy it from bright cube's site, not
at  photoinjetgoodies.com, either.

Maybe it isn't out yet.  Do you know who else is actually selling it?

Jerry



Robert Morrison wrote:
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> 
> Brightcube Gelatin Art is a 100% rag matte paper.  To the best of my
> knowledge its the only one of its type.
> 
> Robert
> 
> On 7/14/02 7:14 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote:
> 
> > If its an rc type paper, I would really not like it. Nothing looks worse
> > than that stuff.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > Robert Morrison wrote:
> >>
> >> Jerry,
> >>
> >> Completely forgot about this one:
> >>
> >> http://www.brightcube.com/products/paper/details/gel.php
> >>
> >> Gelatin art might be worth a look...it is a rag 300gm paper made for dyes.
> >> I believe that John Nollendorfs suggested that he got good results with his
> >> dyes...but I doubt it will make it 25 years...nonetheless the prints will
> >> look fantastic.  It used to be called Xtreme Gamut Gelatin.  I have some and
> >> will fire it up with 1280 dyes when I get a chance.  It has pretty heavy
> >> texture, though.
> >>
> >> Robert
> >>
> >> PS This is rather off topic for the BW list...you might want to ask this
> >> question on the archival color list...just be aware that there are many
> >> people on that list who do not view the 1280 inks in any way archival.
> >> ----------------------
> >> Robert Morrison
> >> rmorrison@...
> >>
> >> 310-397-2704
> >>
> >> 4131 Bledsoe Ave.
> >> Los Angeles, CA 90066
> >>
> >> On 7/14/02 2:21 PM, "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 7/13/02 2:40 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> What do you think of the Photo rag for epson 1280 color inks?  I'm
> >>>> looking for a really nice paper that will last at least as long as the
> >>>> 26 years claimed by epson for their 1280 color inkset. I have run fade
> >>>> tests with this ink, south window, etc, and it doesn't fade at all to
> >>>> the eye, even after 2 months in the sun. So it should really be good for
> >>>> 26 years under glass, I would think. Anyway, at the low prices I sell
> >>>> for, I'm not going to worry about it, as I don't sell a lot of color.
> >>>> The Recommended Epson heavyweight matte is not nearly heavy enough for me.
> >>>
> >>> To the best of my knowledge no other matte paper has lasted 25 Wihelm years
> >>> with the 1270/1280 inks...Heavyweight Matte is your only option for a
> >>> "certified" longevity in this range.  I would just print some color targets
> >>> on a couple of different papers and put them in window with a heavy weight
> >>> matte print.  I think that Archival Matte gets 10 years with the dyes...so
> >>> you could use that as another calibration point for your fade test.
> >>>
> >>> Robert
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [Digital BW] Photo Rag longevity versus EHM with Epsondyeinks?

2002-07-16 by Robert Morrison

It's an older paper.  Brightcube doesn't sell directly to the public
anymore...they sold their retail business to inkjetgoodies.com.  I'd try
calling inkjetgoodies.com.  They can get it from Brightcube.  Actually, you
might just want to call Brightcube and ask for a sample.

Robert
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On 7/15/02 1:29 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote:

> Ah, you mean coated like a fiber paper, not an rc paper?  That would be
> interesting.  There is no where to buy it from bright cube's site, not
> at  photoinjetgoodies.com, either.
> 
> Maybe it isn't out yet.  Do you know who else is actually selling it?
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> Robert Morrison wrote:
>> 
>> Brightcube Gelatin Art is a 100% rag matte paper.  To the best of my
>> knowledge its the only one of its type.
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> On 7/14/02 7:14 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote:
>> 
>>> If its an rc type paper, I would really not like it. Nothing looks worse
>>> than that stuff.
>>> 
>>> Jerry
>>> 
>>> Robert Morrison wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Jerry,
>>>> 
>>>> Completely forgot about this one:
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.brightcube.com/products/paper/details/gel.php
>>>> 
>>>> Gelatin art might be worth a look...it is a rag 300gm paper made for dyes.
>>>> I believe that John Nollendorfs suggested that he got good results with his
>>>> dyes...but I doubt it will make it 25 years...nonetheless the prints will
>>>> look fantastic.  It used to be called Xtreme Gamut Gelatin.  I have some
>>>> and
>>>> will fire it up with 1280 dyes when I get a chance.  It has pretty heavy
>>>> texture, though.
>>>> 
>>>> Robert
>>>> 
>>>> PS This is rather off topic for the BW list...you might want to ask this
>>>> question on the archival color list...just be aware that there are many
>>>> people on that list who do not view the 1280 inks in any way archival.
>>>> ----------------------
>>>> Robert Morrison
>>>> rmorrison@...
>>>> 
>>>> 310-397-2704
>>>> 
>>>> 4131 Bledsoe Ave.
>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90066
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/14/02 2:21 PM, "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/13/02 2:40 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> What do you think of the Photo rag for epson 1280 color inks?  I'm
>>>>>> looking for a really nice paper that will last at least as long as the
>>>>>> 26 years claimed by epson for their 1280 color inkset. I have run fade
>>>>>> tests with this ink, south window, etc, and it doesn't fade at all to
>>>>>> the eye, even after 2 months in the sun. So it should really be good for
>>>>>> 26 years under glass, I would think. Anyway, at the low prices I sell
>>>>>> for, I'm not going to worry about it, as I don't sell a lot of color.
>>>>>> The Recommended Epson heavyweight matte is not nearly heavy enough for
>>>>>> me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> To the best of my knowledge no other matte paper has lasted 25 Wihelm
>>>>> years
>>>>> with the 1270/1280 inks...Heavyweight Matte is your only option for a
>>>>> "certified" longevity in this range.  I would just print some color
>>>>> targets
>>>>> on a couple of different papers and put them in window with a heavy weight
>>>>> matte print.  I think that Archival Matte gets 10 years with the dyes...so
>>>>> you could use that as another calibration point for your fade test.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Robert
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
>>>>> other
>>>>> resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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