Digital BW, The Print

Are you printing from an rgb file? You must be to use these curves, and
yes, there will be a very severe color cast that will show on the screen
when you turn one of paul's curves on, but this doesn't print.

Jerry

bernhardschuerlein wrote:

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> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > You have some settings wrong, or your monitor is not correctly
> > calibrated. The picture on screen should very closely match paul's
> > curves and VM inks.
> >
> 
> But simply adding a curve layer with one of the curves i.e. neutral
> cool will darken the image considerably, doesn�t it?
> 
> I there another tutorial on this except the one on the MIS site?
> 
> Bernhard
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Bernhard,

I second Jerry. Are you sure you have converted to RGB mode before applying
the curves? When you apply the neutral cool curves, the on screen image
should turn orange and have more contrast. You can't edit from that point
and this should be the last step before sending the file to the printer.

Martin Wesley

http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: VM curves much too dark


> Are you printing from an rgb file? You must be to use these curves, and
> yes, there will be a very severe color cast that will show on the screen
> when you turn one of paul's curves on, but this doesn't print.
>
> Jerry
>
> bernhardschuerlein wrote:
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > You have some settings wrong, or your monitor is not correctly
> > > calibrated. The picture on screen should very closely match paul's
> > > curves and VM inks.
> > >
> >
> > But simply adding a curve layer with one of the curves i.e. neutral
> > cool will darken the image considerably, doesn´t it?
> >
> > I there another tutorial on this except the one on the MIS site?
> >
> > Bernhard
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> Are you printing from an rgb file? You must be to use these curves, 
and
> yes, there will be a very severe color cast that will show on the 
screen

Yes sure I follow exactly the procedure as it is described on the 
Workflow page of MIS. I see the heavy color cast but my prints get 
just to dark except I put the curves only to 50% or so...

Well I will try to figure out what the problem is...

Bernhard

Bernhard,

That is mysterious then. I wish I had something more to suggest. Once you do
solve the problem please post the results of your efforts.

Thanks,
Martin Wesley

http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "bernhardschuerlein" <the.sophist@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 6:11 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: VM curves much too dark


> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > Are you printing from an rgb file? You must be to use these curves,
> and
> > yes, there will be a very severe color cast that will show on the
> screen
>
> Yes sure I follow exactly the procedure as it is described on the
> Workflow page of MIS. I see the heavy color cast but my prints get
> just to dark except I put the curves only to 50% or so...
>
> Well I will try to figure out what the problem is...
>
> Bernhard
>
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
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>
>
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
> 
> That is mysterious then. I wish I had something more to suggest. 
Once you do
> solve the problem please post the results of your efforts.
> 

Well, I have now switched to FS neutral anyway... 

The color tone of the VM was too uncontrollable for me, I need a 
reliable procedure with consistent results. The FS neutral seems 
quite ok to me, it could still be slightly cooler. 

But even there I have to reduce the Woolf curve to something like 
75%, otherwise its also too dark. 

Is there something to be done with the ICC profile in the WIndows 
folder? When I print I select printing space "same as source". 

thanks and greetings 

Bernhard