Spraying EAM
2002-07-19 by vinyo88
Has anybody tried spraying, with Krylon 1305, Epson archival Matt and find if there are any advantage doing so. Vinny http://www.wulfsden.com
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Spraying EAM
Re: [Digital BW] Spraying EAM
2002-07-19 by Robert Morrison
Doesn't do a thing except make the print blotchy. Robert
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On 7/19/02 8:28 AM, "vinyo88" <orlandovl@...> wrote: > > Has anybody tried spraying, with Krylon 1305, Epson archival Matt and > find if there are any advantage doing so. > > Vinny > http://www.wulfsden.com > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
Re: [Digital BW] Spraying EAM
2002-07-19 by nick_h_nugent
Agreed. I have the same problems with any kind of acrylic spray on EAM paper. However one spray I know works really well with this paper. I forgot the brand name but it's a photographic lacquer you can purchase at photographic supplies store. I heard the Triangle Bulldog Ultra also works great but I have never tried it. --nick --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison <rmorrison@p...> wrote: > Doesn't do a thing except make the print blotchy. > > Robert > > On 7/19/02 8:28 AM, "vinyo88" <orlandovl@h...> wrote: > > > > > Has anybody tried spraying, with Krylon 1305, Epson archival Matt and > > find if there are any advantage doing so. > > > > Vinny > > http://www.wulfsden.com > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - Include your full name with your message. > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > > them short. > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > > "flames." > > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > > resources on the homepage. > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >
Re: [Digital BW] Spraying EAM
2002-07-19 by vinyo88
Thanks All, saved time and a print. I was about to try it Vinny http://www.wulfsden.com --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "nick_h_nugent" <nick_h_nugent@y...> wrote: > Agreed. I have the same problems with any kind of acrylic spray on EAM > paper. However one spray I know works really well with this paper. I > forgot the brand name but it's a photographic lacquer you can purchase > at photographic supplies store. I heard the Triangle Bulldog Ultra > also works great but I have never tried it. > > --nick > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison > <rmorrison@p...> wrote: > > Doesn't do a thing except make the print blotchy. > > > > Robert > > > > On 7/19/02 8:28 AM, "vinyo88" <orlandovl@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Has anybody tried spraying, with Krylon 1305, Epson archival Matt and > > > find if there are any advantage doing so. > > > > > > Vinny > > > http://www.wulfsden.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, > Polls and other > > > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > > - Include your full name with your message. > > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > to keep > > > them short. > > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject
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Re: [Digital BW] Spraying EAM
2002-07-19 by Robert Morrison
Can you say what these sprays do? Are you looking for image protection, gloss, dmax...what? Robert
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On 7/19/02 9:51 AM, "nick_h_nugent" <nick_h_nugent@...> wrote: > Agreed. I have the same problems with any kind of acrylic spray on EAM > paper. However one spray I know works really well with this paper. I > forgot the brand name but it's a photographic lacquer you can purchase > at photographic supplies store. I heard the Triangle Bulldog Ultra > also works great but I have never tried it. > > --nick > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison > <rmorrison@p...> wrote: >> Doesn't do a thing except make the print blotchy. >> >> Robert >> >> On 7/19/02 8:28 AM, "vinyo88" <orlandovl@h...> wrote: >> >>> >>> Has anybody tried spraying, with Krylon 1305, Epson archival Matt and >>> find if there are any advantage doing so. >>> >>> Vinny >>> http://www.wulfsden.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, > Polls and other >>> resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: >>> >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint >>> >>> Please follow these basic guidelines: >>> - Include your full name with your message. >>> - Include the address of your website, if you have one. >>> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > to keep >>> them short. >>> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject > header. >>> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or >>> "flames." >>> - Complete your Yahoo profile. >>> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the > various >>> resources on the homepage. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>> >>> > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
Re: [Digital BW] Spraying EAM
2002-07-19 by nick_h_nugent
I only use the spray for prints that are to be displayed without any other protective measures. There's no need to spray prints displayed under glass. I have done any experiment to study the the loss of dmax due to the spray but I'm afraid there is some. --nick --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison <rmorrison@p...> wrote: > Can you say what these sprays do? Are you looking for image protection, > gloss, dmax...what? > > Robert > > On 7/19/02 9:51 AM, "nick_h_nugent" <nick_h_nugent@y...> wrote: > > > Agreed. I have the same problems with any kind of acrylic spray on EAM > > paper. However one spray I know works really well with this paper. I > > forgot the brand name but it's a photographic lacquer you can purchase > > at photographic supplies store. I heard the Triangle Bulldog Ultra > > also works great but I have never tried it. > > > > --nick > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison > > <rmorrison@p...> wrote: > >> Doesn't do a thing except make the print blotchy. > >> > >> Robert > >> > >> On 7/19/02 8:28 AM, "vinyo88" <orlandovl@h...> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Has anybody tried spraying, with Krylon 1305, Epson archival Matt and > >>> find if there are any advantage doing so. > >>> > >>> Vinny > >>> http://www.wulfsden.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, > > Polls and other > >>> resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > >>> > >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > >>> > >>> Please follow these basic guidelines: > >>> - Include your full name with your message. > >>> - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > >>> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > > to keep > >>> them short. > >>> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject > > header. > >>> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > >>> "flames." > >>> - Complete your Yahoo profile. > >>> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the > > various > >>> resources on the homepage. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - Include your full name with your message. > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > > them short. > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > > "flames." > > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > > resources on the homepage. > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >
Re: [Digital BW] Spraying EAM
2002-07-19 by vinyo88
everything I read on spraying, in earlier said D-max increased. That is why I asked about EAM Vinny --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "nick_h_nugent" <nick_h_nugent@y...> wrote: > I only use the spray for prints that are to be displayed without any > other protective measures. There's no need to spray prints displayed > under glass. I have done any experiment to study the the loss of dmax > due to the spray but I'm afraid there is some. > > --nick > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison > <rmorrison@p...> wrote: > > Can you say what these sprays do? Are you looking for image protection, > > gloss, dmax...what? > > > > Robert > > > > On 7/19/02 9:51 AM, "nick_h_nugent" <nick_h_nugent@y...> wrote: > > > > > Agreed. I have the same problems with any kind of acrylic spray on EAM > > > paper. However one spray I know works really well with this paper. I > > > forgot the brand name but it's a photographic lacquer you can purchase > > > at photographic supplies store. I heard the Triangle Bulldog Ultra > > > also works great but I have never tried it. > > > > > > --nick > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison > > > <rmorrison@p...> wrote: > > >> Doesn't do a thing except make the print blotchy. > > >> > > >> Robert > > >> > > >> On 7/19/02 8:28 AM, "vinyo88" <orlandovl@h...> wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> Has anybody tried spraying, with Krylon 1305, Epson archival > Matt and > > >>> find if there are any advantage doing so. > > >>> > > >>> Vinny > > >>> http://www.wulfsden.com > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, > > > Polls and other > > >>> resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > >>> > > >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > >>> > > >>> Please follow these basic guidelines: > > >>> - Include your full name with your message. > > >>> - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > >>> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > > > to keep > > >>> them short. > > >>> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject > > > header. > > >>> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > > >>> "flames." > > >>> - Complete your Yahoo profile. > > >>> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the > > > various > > >>> resources on the homepage. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >>> > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, > Polls and other > > > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > > - Include your full name with your message. > > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > to keep > > > them short. > > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject
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Re: [Digital BW] Spraying EAM
2002-07-19 by nick_h_nugent
I believe there is a D-max increase on glossy, and Epson heavy weight matte even using the inexpensive Krylon spray, but for some strange reason I just could not get any good results with the Epson Archival Matte except for using the Photographic Lacquer spray with a slight loss in D-max. Maybe one should not use any spray on EAM papers. They may soak too much of the spray instead of allowing it to dry on the surface. --nick --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "vinyo88" <orlandovl@h...> wrote:
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> everything I read on spraying, in earlier said D-max increased. That > is why I asked about EAM > > Vinny > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "nick_h_nugent" > <nick_h_nugent@y...> wrote: > > I only use the spray for prints that are to be displayed without any > > other protective measures. There's no need to spray prints displayed > > under glass. I have done any experiment to study the the loss of > dmax > > due to the spray but I'm afraid there is some. > > > > --nick > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison > > <rmorrison@p...> wrote: > > > Can you say what these sprays do? Are you looking for image > protection, > > > gloss, dmax...what? > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > On 7/19/02 9:51 AM, "nick_h_nugent" <nick_h_nugent@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > Agreed. I have the same problems with any kind of acrylic spray > on EAM > > > > paper. However one spray I know works really well with this > paper. I > > > > forgot the brand name but it's a photographic lacquer you can > purchase > > > > at photographic supplies store. I heard the Triangle Bulldog > Ultra > > > > also works great but I have never tried it. > > > > > > > > --nick > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison > > > > <rmorrison@p...> wrote: > > > >> Doesn't do a thing except make the print blotchy. > > > >> > > > >> Robert > > > >> > > > >> On 7/19/02 8:28 AM, "vinyo88" <orlandovl@h...> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> Has anybody tried spraying, with Krylon 1305, Epson archival > > Matt and > > > >>> find if there are any advantage doing so. > > > >>> > > > >>> Vinny > > > >>> http://www.wulfsden.com > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, > > > > Polls and other > > > >>> resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > >>> > > > >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > >>> > > > >>> Please follow these basic guidelines: > > > >>> - Include your full name with your message. > > > >>> - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > > >>> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier > messages > > > > to keep > > > >>> them short. > > > >>> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the > subject > > > > header. > > > >>> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks > or > > > >>> "flames." > > > >>> - Complete your Yahoo profile. > > > >>> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and > the > > > > various > > > >>> resources on the homepage. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, > > Polls and other > > > > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > > > - Include your full name with your message. > > > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier > messages > > to keep > > > > them short. > > > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the > subject > > header. > > > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > > > > "flames." > > > > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > > > > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the > > various > > > > resources on the homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > >
Re: [Digital BW] Spraying EAM
2002-07-19 by Robert Morrison
The glossy papers have good fluid hold out and thus the sprays sit on top of the paper...creating a gloss which increases dmax. To get this effect with matte papers you need something that will seal the paper and then provide the gloss with more coats. The sprays don't do this. As you will see from the archives I and others have done a lot of work with coating prints. EAM does not coat well with anything. Eclipse Satine and Museo are the best matte papers to coat. There are recipes in the archives that you can try...but it is much more work than a quick coat of Krylon. By far the easiest way to increase dmax at this point is to switch to the Piezotone inks. If you want gloss or satin for the sake of the finish then I would try Brightcube Semi-Matte with Krylon or get out your varnish brush or meyer rod and try some of the formula's in the archives. Robert
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On 7/19/02 1:35 PM, "nick_h_nugent" <nick_h_nugent@...> wrote: > I believe there is a D-max increase on glossy, and Epson heavy weight > matte even using the inexpensive Krylon spray, but for some strange > reason I just could not get any good results with the Epson Archival > Matte except for using the Photographic Lacquer spray with a slight > loss in D-max. Maybe one should not use any spray on EAM papers. They > may soak too much of the spray instead of allowing it to dry on the > surface. > > --nick > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "vinyo88" <orlandovl@h...> > wrote: >> everything I read on spraying, in earlier said D-max increased. That >> is why I asked about EAM >> >> Vinny >> >> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "nick_h_nugent" >> <nick_h_nugent@y...> wrote: >>> I only use the spray for prints that are to be displayed without any >>> other protective measures. There's no need to spray prints displayed >>> under glass. I have done any experiment to study the the loss of >> dmax >>> due to the spray but I'm afraid there is some. >>> >>> --nick >>> >>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison >>> <rmorrison@p...> wrote: >>>> Can you say what these sprays do? Are you looking for image >> protection, >>>> gloss, dmax...what? >>>> >>>> Robert >>>> >>>> On 7/19/02 9:51 AM, "nick_h_nugent" <nick_h_nugent@y...> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Agreed. I have the same problems with any kind of acrylic spray >> on EAM >>>>> paper. However one spray I know works really well with this >> paper. I >>>>> forgot the brand name but it's a photographic lacquer you can >> purchase >>>>> at photographic supplies store. I heard the Triangle Bulldog >> Ultra >>>>> also works great but I have never tried it. >>>>> >>>>> --nick >>>>> >>>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison >>>>> <rmorrison@p...> wrote: >>>>>> Doesn't do a thing except make the print blotchy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Robert >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/19/02 8:28 AM, "vinyo88" <orlandovl@h...> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Has anybody tried spraying, with Krylon 1305, Epson archival >>> Matt and >>>>>>> find if there are any advantage doing so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Vinny >>>>>>> http://www.wulfsden.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, >>>>> Polls and other >>>>>>> resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please follow these basic guidelines: >>>>>>> - Include your full name with your message. >>>>>>> - Include the address of your website, if you have one. >>>>>>> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier >> messages >>>>> to keep >>>>>>> them short. >>>>>>> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the >> subject >>>>> header. >>>>>>> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks >> or >>>>>>> "flames." >>>>>>> - Complete your Yahoo profile. >>>>>>> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and >> the >>>>> various >>>>>>> resources on the homepage. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >>>>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, >>> Polls and other >>>>> resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: >>>>> >>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint >>>>> >>>>> Please follow these basic guidelines: >>>>> - Include your full name with your message. >>>>> - Include the address of your website, if you have one. >>>>> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier >> messages >>> to keep >>>>> them short. >>>>> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the >> subject >>> header. >>>>> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or >>>>> "flames." >>>>> - Complete your Yahoo profile. >>>>> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the >>> various >>>>> resources on the homepage. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>>>> >>>>> > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >