Digital BW, The Print

I've been a member of the group for a few months, have paid 
attention to the many helpful comments and finally started printing 
with the MIS VM cartridge on EAM on my 1160.  The results are what I 
had hoped for.  The next step is to get a bulk ink system.  Before I 
take that step, however, I wonder if the FS set offers any advantage 
in image quality and possibly greater ability to express the tonal 
ranges.

Andy Unger

Andy:

No difference in image quality between FS and FS VM inksets.  FS VM 
as the name implies allows variable toning from warm to cool with the 
inkset.  The FS family of inks (FS and FS-N, and FS-E for hex 
printers) do not have this flexibility.  If you like the ability to 
vary the tones from warm to cool on your 1160, then stick with the 
VM.  If you try one of the FS inksets and you like the specific tone 
it generates, then FS might be the inkset for you.  Also note that 
some folks blend FS and FS-N to get just the right tone they are 
looking for.

Jeff Randall

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "ungram" <ungram@y...> 
wrote:
> I've been a member of the group for a few months, have paid 
> attention to the many helpful comments and finally started printing 
> with the MIS VM cartridge on EAM on my 1160.  The results are what 
I 
> had hoped for.  The next step is to get a bulk ink system.  Before 
I 
> take that step, however, I wonder if the FS set offers any 
advantage 

> in image quality and possibly greater ability to express the tonal 
> ranges.
> 
> Andy Unger

>Andy:
>
>No difference in image quality between FS and FS VM inksets.  FS VM
>as the name implies allows variable toning from warm to cool with the
>inkset.  The FS family of inks (FS and FS-N, and FS-E for hex
>printers) do not have this flexibility.  If you like the ability to
>vary the tones from warm to cool on your 1160, then stick with the
>VM.

Of, if you would like the option to vary from neutral to sepia, 
switch to the MIS VM Sepia-Neutral ink set.

Sam McCandless                 samcc@...

>  If you try one of the FS inksets and you like the specific tone
>it generates, then FS might be the inkset for you.  Also note that
>some folks blend FS and FS-N to get just the right tone they are
>looking for.
>
>Jeff Randall

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Sam A. McCandless" 
<samcc@v...> wrote:
> >Andy:
> >
> >No difference in image quality between FS and FS VM inksets.  FS 
VM
> >as the name implies allows variable toning from warm to cool with 
the
> >inkset.  The FS family of inks (FS and FS-N, and FS-E for hex
> >printers) do not have this flexibility.  If you like the ability 
to
> >vary the tones from warm to cool on your 1160, then stick with the
> >VM.
> 
> Of, if you would like the option to vary from neutral to sepia, 
> switch to the MIS VM Sepia-Neutral ink set.
> 
> Sam McCandless                 samcc@v...
> 
> Is there a sample of prints done with Sepia-Neutral ink set that 
can be viewed?  The only image I've seen is on Paul Roark's website 
and there is a single example.  While I'm inclined to think that the 
VM cool to warm set is right for me, it would be helpful to see what 
the alternative looks like.  

> >  If you try one of the FS inksets and you like the specific tone
> >it generates, then FS might be the inkset for you.  Also note that
> >some folks blend FS and FS-N to get just the right tone they are
> >looking for.
> >
> >Jeff Randall

Here's a link snipped from a old post of Paul's: "The new MIS 
VM-Sepia variable-mix/tone inkset covers the range of neutral to 
sepia tones, and may be something you'd want to consider.  For a 
sample of the tonal range, see

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/Message%20
Related%20Files/11_2001%20uploads/VM-Sepia3-N3.jpg>

Remember you can get tones in between these two extremes with the 
other two, intermediate curves. Plus tweaks with the yellow slider, 
to say nothing of whole new curves of your own.

Also, I've had some success printing with the ink set without any 
curving at all and even without any conversion to GS - but find it 
unpredictable and wouldn't call always call it "sepia" either, 
because sometimes there's too much color - yellow/orange and faint 
blues -  in the print to call it "sepia".

Sam McCandless               samcc@...

>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Sam A. McCandless"
><samcc@v...> wrote:
> > >Andy:
> > >
> > >No difference in image quality between FS and FS VM inksets.  FS
>VM
> > >as the name implies allows variable toning from warm to cool with
>the
> > >inkset.  The FS family of inks (FS and FS-N, and FS-E for hex
> > >printers) do not have this flexibility.  If you like the ability
>to
> > >vary the tones from warm to cool on your 1160, then stick with the
> > >VM.
> >
> > Of, if you would like the option to vary from neutral to sepia,
> > switch to the MIS VM Sepia-Neutral ink set.
> >
> > Sam McCandless                 samcc@v...
> >
> > Is there a sample of prints done with Sepia-Neutral ink set that
>can be viewed?  The only image I've seen is on Paul Roark's website
>and there is a single example.  While I'm inclined to think that the
>VM cool to warm set is right for me, it would be helpful to see what
>the alternative looks like.  [snip]