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Re: [Digital BW] Tri-x/HC110 user needs a change

2002-08-04 by Julian Thomas

What scanner/software are you using are you using? I scanned 35mm trix on a
ss4000 with no problems using Xtol.

Julian
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From: "frankg_photo" <frank@...>
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Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:29 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Tri-x/HC110 user needs a change


> For eons I've used Tri-x (the 400 not the 320 pro) and HC110 dil B
> for 4.5 min in distilled water. Keeping the dev time low to prevent
> highlights blocking and making sure to give enough exposure in the
> shadows.I took up this 'formula' from Adams' The negative and
> Picker's book & newsletters.
> This has worked well for my silver prints.
> I've packed up my darkroom and now that I'm scanning my negs (for
> 1160 quadtone printing/MIS) I find the grain objectionable - it's not
> crisp and it's big.
> Any advice on adjusting my 'formula' or....a change ? I'm not too
> sure about changing to a chromogenic film as on occasion I may still
> want to have a silver print made.
> thanks
> Frank
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Re: [Digital BW] Tri-x/HC110 user needs a change

2002-08-04 by Julian Thomas

I've been using DiXactol for a while - in the one bath 'stand' method i.e. A
+ B in the same bath. Fantastic dev. Not used it on Trix X though.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Roohr" <lrryr@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:38 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Tri-x/HC110 user needs a change


> Frank,
>
> I'm in the middle of experimenting with 'stand development' for taming
> highlights, meaning two bath's where the developer from the first bath
> exhausts itself in the second bath restraining high density's,
specifically
> for scanning with ccd scanners. I'm trying Dixactol because it's
advertised
> to leave grain un-dissolved, allowing high accutance, and adds a stain to
> fill in between the grain and reduce how apparent it is. Supposedly
there's
> just a small speed loss from rated film speeds, unlike the pyro
developers.
>
> If your interested I'll let you know how it works out.
>
> Dixactol info is at www.barrythornton.com and is available from
> Photographers Formulary in the states.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frankg_photo [mailto:frank@...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 9:29 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Tri-x/HC110 user needs a change
>
>
> For eons I've used Tri-x (the 400 not the 320 pro) and HC110 dil B
> for 4.5 min in distilled water. Keeping the dev time low to prevent
> highlights blocking and making sure to give enough exposure in the
> shadows.I took up this 'formula' from Adams' The negative and
> Picker's book & newsletters.
> This has worked well for my silver prints.
> I've packed up my darkroom and now that I'm scanning my negs (for
> 1160 quadtone printing/MIS) I find the grain objectionable - it's not
> crisp and it's big.
> Any advice on adjusting my 'formula' or....a change ? I'm not too
> sure about changing to a chromogenic film as on occasion I may still
> want to have a silver print made.
> thanks
> Frank
>
>
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RE: [Digital BW] Tri-x/HC110 user needs a change

2002-08-04 by Larry Roohr

Julian,

Have you found a greater reduction in grain by scanning in rgb and choosing
one of the channels where the stain would be most opaque?

Larry
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-----Original Message-----
From: Julian Thomas [mailto:julianthomas@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 10:04 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Tri-x/HC110 user needs a change


I've been using DiXactol for a while - in the one bath 'stand' method i.e. A
+ B in the same bath. Fantastic dev. Not used it on Trix X though.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Roohr" <lrryr@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:38 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Tri-x/HC110 user needs a change


> Frank,
>
> I'm in the middle of experimenting with 'stand development' for taming
> highlights, meaning two bath's where the developer from the first bath
> exhausts itself in the second bath restraining high density's,
specifically
> for scanning with ccd scanners. I'm trying Dixactol because it's
advertised
> to leave grain un-dissolved, allowing high accutance, and adds a stain to
> fill in between the grain and reduce how apparent it is. Supposedly
there's
> just a small speed loss from rated film speeds, unlike the pyro
developers.
>
> If your interested I'll let you know how it works out.
>
> Dixactol info is at www.barrythornton.com and is available from
> Photographers Formulary in the states.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frankg_photo [mailto:frank@...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 9:29 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Tri-x/HC110 user needs a change
>
>
> For eons I've used Tri-x (the 400 not the 320 pro) and HC110 dil B
> for 4.5 min in distilled water. Keeping the dev time low to prevent
> highlights blocking and making sure to give enough exposure in the
> shadows.I took up this 'formula' from Adams' The negative and
> Picker's book & newsletters.
> This has worked well for my silver prints.
> I've packed up my darkroom and now that I'm scanning my negs (for
> 1160 quadtone printing/MIS) I find the grain objectionable - it's not
> crisp and it's big.
> Any advice on adjusting my 'formula' or....a change ? I'm not too
> sure about changing to a chromogenic film as on occasion I may still
> want to have a silver print made.
> thanks
> Frank
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
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Re: [Digital BW] Tri-x/HC110 user needs a change

2002-08-04 by Ken Carney

Frank:  If you used 400 as the speed, the film has probably been under-developed a couple of stops at least (if temp at 20 degrees and intermittent agitation).  I have had good luck with HC110 and TX large format, but the film requires a different exposure index depending on whether development is compressed or expanded (in my case, with TX pro N-2 is EI 100, N+1 is 200 and so on -D76 1:1).  HC110 can be a little soft, so perhaps is not the best choice for 35 or MF.  Also distilled water can cause soft grain.  My 35mm and MF TX negs developed in D76 1:1 scan fine.  I suggest you try bottled drinking water to mix the developer, and try D76 1:1.  Here we have Ozarka brand drinking water.  It is distilled at the plant, and then the exact same amount of minerals are added in every batch.

I too have transited from the wet darkroom.  I tried the Ilford Delta roll films with Ilford DDX, with miserable scanning results.  My current favorite is Kodak Portra b&w.  It appears to be a true 400 speed, sharp, nice grain, and great tonal range (35mm).  The only trick is finding a pro lab with a dip and dunk line to develop it.  Hope this helps.

  --Ken Carney
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From: frankg_photo 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 10:29 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Tri-x/HC110 user needs a change


  For eons I've used Tri-x (the 400 not the 320 pro) and HC110 dil B 
  for 4.5 min in distilled water. Keeping the dev time low to prevent 
  highlights blocking and making sure to give enough exposure in the 
  shadows.I took up this 'formula' from Adams' The negative and 
  Picker's book & newsletters. 
  This has worked well for my silver prints.
  I've packed up my darkroom and now that I'm scanning my negs (for 
  1160 quadtone printing/MIS) I find the grain objectionable - it's not 
  crisp and it's big.
  Any advice on adjusting my 'formula' or....a change ? I'm not too 
  sure about changing to a chromogenic film as on occasion I may still 
  want to have a silver print made.
  thanks
  Frank


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Re: [Digital BW] Tri-x/HC110 user needs a change

2002-08-04 by Julian Thomas

No, I'm too lazy for that! I use Vuescan and scan a Image setting

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Roohr" <lrryr@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 6:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Tri-x/HC110 user needs a change


> Julian,
>
> Have you found a greater reduction in grain by scanning in rgb and
choosing
> one of the channels where the stain would be most opaque?
>
> Larry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julian Thomas [mailto:julianthomas@...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 10:04 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Tri-x/HC110 user needs a change
>
>
> I've been using DiXactol for a while - in the one bath 'stand' method i.e.
A
> + B in the same bath. Fantastic dev. Not used it on Trix X though.
>
> Julian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Roohr" <lrryr@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 5:38 PM
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Tri-x/HC110 user needs a change
>
>
> > Frank,
> >
> > I'm in the middle of experimenting with 'stand development' for taming
> > highlights, meaning two bath's where the developer from the first bath
> > exhausts itself in the second bath restraining high density's,
> specifically
> > for scanning with ccd scanners. I'm trying Dixactol because it's
> advertised
> > to leave grain un-dissolved, allowing high accutance, and adds a stain
to
> > fill in between the grain and reduce how apparent it is. Supposedly
> there's
> > just a small speed loss from rated film speeds, unlike the pyro
> developers.
> >
> > If your interested I'll let you know how it works out.
> >
> > Dixactol info is at www.barrythornton.com and is available from
> > Photographers Formulary in the states.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: frankg_photo [mailto:frank@...]
> > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 9:29 AM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Tri-x/HC110 user needs a change
> >
> >
> > For eons I've used Tri-x (the 400 not the 320 pro) and HC110 dil B
> > for 4.5 min in distilled water. Keeping the dev time low to prevent
> > highlights blocking and making sure to give enough exposure in the
> > shadows.I took up this 'formula' from Adams' The negative and
> > Picker's book & newsletters.
> > This has worked well for my silver prints.
> > I've packed up my darkroom and now that I'm scanning my negs (for
> > 1160 quadtone printing/MIS) I find the grain objectionable - it's not
> > crisp and it's big.
> > Any advice on adjusting my 'formula' or....a change ? I'm not too
> > sure about changing to a chromogenic film as on occasion I may still
> > want to have a silver print made.
> > thanks
> > Frank
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
> > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
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