Digital BW, The Print

I have been trying to get decent results using ImagePrint 5 with Cone 
PiezoTone Selenium inks in a 7000.

I have tried various settings, Piezo 1 and Piezo 11 ink settings, 
different paper settings, but in each case, using the supplied 
profiles, the shadows are completely blocked.  I mean, it looks like 
someone has painted dense black ink in them.  Only the shadows seem 
to be a problem.  Makes the Epson driver's shadows look open, its 
that bad.

If anyone else is succesfully using ImagePrint 5 with Piezotone, or 
even the original Piezo inks, I'd apreciate hearing from you - I want 
to check my settings against yours.  

Thanks

Quentin

Quentin,
 I´m using IP5 on a Mac with the 7500.
Monotor calibrated by eyeballs 
PS 7.0: Color setting for greyscale is  Gray Gamma 1.8. 
Files saved as tiff with greyscale profile implemented.

Printer setup in IP5: 
Res: 360, Quality 1440, 
Ink: MIS FS setting !!!, (though I use old Piezo inks in the 
moment)
sheet and inked area checked. 

Ink is: old Piezo ink (sundance)

Color management in IP 5 is: 
System:
printer: ep7500_MIS-FS_Hahn photorag 308 (for EAM as proofs  
and Photo Rag as fine prints)
Bitmap: embedded profile: apply, 
Gray:  same profile as in system.

It works fine for me.
Best
Bernd


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "qdfb" <qdb@b...> 
wrote:
> I have been trying to get decent results using ImagePrint 5 with 
Cone 
> PiezoTone Selenium inks in a 7000.
> 
> I have tried various settings, Piezo 1 and Piezo 11 ink settings, 
> different paper settings, but in each case, using the supplied 
> profiles, the shadows are completely blocked.  I mean, it looks 
like 
> someone has painted dense black ink in them.  Only the 
shadows seem 
> to be a problem.  Makes the Epson driver's shadows look 
open, its 
> that bad.
> 
> If anyone else is succesfully using ImagePrint 5 with 
Piezotone, or 
> even the original Piezo inks, I'd apreciate hearing from you - I 
want 

> to check my settings against yours.  
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Quentin

Bernd,

Interesting settings!  Why are you using them?

Still, Ill give them a try, thanks.

Quentin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "ruhrfoto" <ruhrfoto@y...> 
wrote:

> Quentin,
>  I´m using IP5 on a Mac with the 7500.
> Monotor calibrated by eyeballs 
> PS 7.0: Color setting for greyscale is  Gray Gamma 1.8. 
> Files saved as tiff with greyscale profile implemented.
> 
> Printer setup in IP5: 
> Res: 360, Quality 1440, 
> Ink: MIS FS setting !!!, (though I use old Piezo inks in the 
> moment)
> sheet and inked area checked. 
> 
> Ink is: old Piezo ink (sundance)
> 
> Color management in IP 5 is: 
> System:
> printer: ep7500_MIS-FS_Hahn photorag 308 (for EAM as proofs  
> and Photo Rag as fine prints)
> Bitmap: embedded profile: apply, 
> Gray:  same profile as in system.
> 
> It works fine for me.
> Best
> Bernd
>

I could see some improvement using your settings, but the black "cut-
in" is still more aggressive than Piezo.  It may well be because 
these inks are new, and the profiles have not been updated.

I'll speak with John at ImagePrint about it.

Quentin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "qdfb" <qdb@b...> wrote:

> Bernd,
> 
> Interesting settings!  Why are you using them?
> 
> Still, Ill give them a try, thanks.
> 
> Quentin
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "ruhrfoto" <

Quentin,
I have been tortured trying to get ImagePrint to work right with my 7000. I am working on a pc, calibrated monitor, but feel like I have a moving target. John has suggested that one of the inks may have been loaded wrong, so as the system switches from cyan to light cyan on different images, the results may vary. I will let you know what I find.
On another note, I have never heard Antonis quite so upset. I dont blame him. I saw those images, and they were great, but they should last more than 2 months. It would be pretty wierd if after all our work, Epson ends up with the best BW set!!!!
Stephen



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Stephen,

How right you are...

And the plot thickens.

I have spent a lot of the day testing the 7600 monochrome output from 
ImagePrint 5.  Initially I had probelms, but it turned out that I was 
using the wrong profile.  In fact, I could not find a profile for B&W 
+ matte ink output on to Photo Rag, so I used another profile instead.

In any event, I am getting piezo quality prints from the 7600 - no 
crossovers - with the wrong profile :-)  I know that is how it is 
supposed to be, ut it still came as a surprise actually to see it 
happen.

Only slight problem is that I can't get the tint picker to work 
properly at the moment.  HopefullyI can get that sorted shortly.

Given the microbanding I have experienced with the 7000 since 
changing that printer over to PiezoTones, and the hassle of getting 
good output from it with ImagePrint (almost certainly another profile 
problem), I am leaning towards using just the 7600 with ImagePrint 
for B&W and colour.  It is too early to jump that way at the moment, 
but the B&W quality seems to be there in bucketloads.  "dead nuts" I 
think Andrew Rodney called it :-)

No wonder Inkjetmall are selling ImagePrint.

Quentin  


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Stephen Kundell, MD" 
<skundell@p...> wrote:
> Quentin,
> I have been tortured trying to get ImagePrint to work right with my 
7000. I am working on a pc, calibrated monitor, but feel like I have 
a moving target. John has suggested that one of the inks may have 
been loaded wrong, so as the system switches from cyan to light cyan 
on different images, the results may vary. I will let you know what I 
find.
> On another note, I have never heard Antonis quite so upset. I dont 
blame him. I saw those images, and they were great, but they should 
last more than 2 months. It would be pretty wierd if after all our 
work, Epson ends up with the best BW set!!!!

> Stephen
> 
> 
> 
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