Digital BW, The Print

I was using the Lyson Quad Blacks on an Epson 860 and the Lyson 
Monochrome 265g Pro Glossy paper.  Quad blacks were too magenta for 
me and I went to the Lyson Small Gamut.   I don't think the Lyson 
265g Pro Glossy works as well with the Small Gamut ink.  

Can anyone make a recommendation?  Has anyone tried the Canon Pro 
Glossy or the Ilford Galerie Glossy?

thanks to all,

Rick

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "rschllr" <rschiller@a...> 
wrote:
> I was using the Lyson Quad Blacks on an Epson 860 and the Lyson 
> Monochrome 265g Pro Glossy paper.  Quad blacks were too magenta for 
> me and I went to the Lyson Small Gamut.   I don't think the Lyson 
> 265g Pro Glossy works as well with the Small Gamut ink.  
> 
> Can anyone make a recommendation?  Has anyone tried the Canon Pro 
> Glossy or the Ilford Galerie Glossy?
> 
> thanks to all,
> 
> Rick

I am using SG inks in an 1160, which I believe is the same as your 
printer only bigger. When I print on glossy paper with a colour cast 
(i.e. I 'tone' the pic warm or cold), I usually get a nasty blue in 
the lighter shadows. I get this even when I tone the pic blue! 

This manifests itself much more on glossy papers than the matt / 
rough 'art' papers that you can get. (Most of the time it is not 
there at all on the matt or art papers.) The nasty blue does not 
appear immediately but after a bit of time. I have tried Ilford's 
papers and they do this. My best successes have been with Olmec 310 
art paper, which I can get cheapish here in the UK. Lyson Soft Art is 
nice as well but it is costly. I also use the heavyweight matt papers 
and they show the nasty blue effect a bit, but nowhere as much as the 
glossy papers. In short, I have found matt/art papers the best so far.

I don't know if this is a problem with the ICC profiles or any colour 
management issues - it just seems that the printer / driver is a 
little over enthusiastic with the blues at times. I find this whole 
matter confusing, so if anyone can shed any light on this I would be 
grateful.

I have found that I also get markedly different print colours when 
looking at the print under different light - tungsten, flourescent 
and daylight. Each is different.

Hope this helps

Steve Taylor

I think I get the best glossy results with Small Gamut inks on Ilford 
Smooth Gloss.  I tried both the Classic Gloss and Smooth Gloss and decided 
the Smooth looked just a bit better.  I'm now working out of a 250 sheet 
box of the stuff.

Cheers,
Kip

At 10/8/2002 06:44 AM +0000, you wrote:

>I was using the Lyson Quad Blacks on an Epson 860 and the Lyson
>Monochrome 265g Pro Glossy paper.  Quad blacks were too magenta for
>me and I went to the Lyson Small Gamut.   I don't think the Lyson
>265g Pro Glossy works as well with the Small Gamut ink.
>
>Can anyone make a recommendation?  Has anyone tried the Canon Pro
>Glossy or the Ilford Galerie Glossy?
>
>thanks to all,
>
>Rick

Does the Ilford glossy fade at all.  The Ilford literature says it 
will slightly fade after a short amount of time and is to be expected.

Rick
www.rickschiller.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Kip Babington 
<cbabing3@s...> wrote:
> I think I get the best glossy results with Small Gamut inks on 
Ilford 
> Smooth Gloss.  I tried both the Classic Gloss and Smooth Gloss and 
decided 
> the Smooth looked just a bit better.  I'm now working out of a 250 
sheet 

> box of the stuff.
> 
> Cheers,
> Kip
> 
> At 10/8/2002 06:44 AM +0000, you wrote:
> >I was using the Lyson Quad Blacks on an Epson 860 and the Lyson
> >Monochrome 265g Pro Glossy paper.  Quad blacks were too magenta for
> >me and I went to the Lyson Small Gamut.   I don't think the Lyson
> >265g Pro Glossy works as well with the Small Gamut ink.
> >
> >Can anyone make a recommendation?  Has anyone tried the Canon Pro
> >Glossy or the Ilford Galerie Glossy?
> >
> >thanks to all,
> >
> >Rick

I have not done any controlled fade testing. I do have a print that's been 
sitting in a south facing picture window for about three months, just to 
see what heavy sunlight would do to it, and while it doesn't look as dark 
as a fresh print would it really isn't that ugly.  None of my regular 
photos would ever get that kind of abuse, so I'm just not being concerned 
about fading at this point.  Again, not a scientific test, though.

Cheers,
Kip

At 10/9/2002 12:04 AM +0000, you wrote:

>Does the Ilford glossy fade at all.  The Ilford literature says it
>will slightly fade after a short amount of time and is to be expected.
>
>Rick
>www.rickschiller.com

Rick (and others)

While this does not address your question directly, John Read of 
Marrutt,the UK distributor/retailer of Lyson inks, is recommending 
custom profiles for Lyson inks.  He has posted links at the bottom of 
his main web page www.marrutt.co.uk .

When I return next to the UK I may investigate the quality produced 
as I have no personal experience of the results.

Colin

rschllr" <rschiller@a...> wrote:

> I was using the Lyson Quad Blacks on an Epson 860 and the Lyson 
> Monochrome 265g Pro Glossy paper.  Quad blacks were too magenta for 
> me and I went to the Lyson Small Gamut.   I don't think the Lyson 
> 265g Pro Glossy works as well with the Small Gamut ink.  
> 
> Can anyone make a recommendation?  Has anyone tried the Canon Pro 
> Glossy or the Ilford Galerie Glossy?
> 
> thanks to all,
> 
> Rick