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MIS-VM "Microbanding"

MIS-VM "Microbanding"

2002-10-15 by cmpatti2001

I hadn't used my 1280 CFS system for a while, and after many trials 
and tribulations have got it working again.  I decided to try to 
Tyler Boley curves for the first time.  Although they seem to be 
giving me smoother tones, I've run into a new problem--light banding, 
most visible in the mid-highlights, running in the direction of the 
print head.  It is just visible to the naked eye with the print held 
at a reasonable viewing distance (say 12 inches).  I'm printing on 
EAM and am using all the recommended settings ("heavyweight matt," 
1440 dpi, "no color adjustment," and "high speed" and "smooth edge" 
unchecked).  My first couple of prints seemed fine, but now 
the "banding" has ruined several prints in a row.

I assume this is a relatively common issue, but I've not run into it 
before.  Any suggestions?

Chris Patti

Re: MIS-VM "Microbanding"

2002-10-16 by Chris Hargens

First check print head alignment. I'd also fiddle with the curves a 
bit to see if they are the source of your problem. 

BTW, I myself have my 1160 with CFS currently in storage -- and it 
will be for about another 4 weeks -- and I'm a bit concerned about 
possible printing problems. Let's see what happens.

Chris Hargens


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "cmpatti2001" 
<cmpatti@a...> wrote:
> I hadn't used my 1280 CFS system for a while, and after many trials 
> and tribulations have got it working again.  I decided to try to 
> Tyler Boley curves for the first time.  Although they seem to be 
> giving me smoother tones, I've run into a new problem--light 
banding, 
> most visible in the mid-highlights, running in the direction of the 
> print head.  It is just visible to the naked eye with the print 
held 
> at a reasonable viewing distance (say 12 inches).  I'm printing on 
> EAM and am using all the recommended settings ("heavyweight matt," 
> 1440 dpi, "no color adjustment," and "high speed" and "smooth edge" 
> unchecked).  My first couple of prints seemed fine, but now 
> the "banding" has ruined several prints in a row.
> 
> I assume this is a relatively common issue, but I've not run into 
it 
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> before.  Any suggestions?
> 
> Chris Patti

Re: MIS-VM "Microbanding"

2002-10-16 by Jon Cone

Chris,

I of all people am the least qualified to comment on MIS inks and
microbanding!

But I can tell you that we have a testing lab with somewhere between 40 and
50 small EPSON printers. At any given moment about 15 are in for repair. So
we know that across the board, EPSON printers require a lot of maintenance
that the end-user is not able to do themselves. With thermal inkjet, the
head is replaced with each cartridge change. With EPSON you get what you get
when you buy it and you have what you have as you use it over time.

 Microbanding is one of the most difficult things to tech support. It can be
the ink, it can be the ink cartridge, it can be the print heads need
cleaning or alignment, it can be that the cartridge itself is not venting
well, it can be that the piezo crystals are not firing well, it can be the
printer's board electronics are interfering with the head electronics, and
it can be environmental as in too dry or too humid, it can be the CFS carts
are plugging, it can be the tubing is plugging, it can be a pinched line. it
can be other things as well....

Look at the list above and see what you can do on your own. Don't overlook
the environment. Try and determine if there is anything new since you last
printed. Do all the easy things first. Then move on to deep cleaning issues
including if you are not timid injecting a solution of ammonia diluted 9:1
with distilled water into the ink stems. make sure you push the tubing all
the way down to the base, move the heads to the left and place a wad of
toweling under them to collect the fluid, take your syringe for starting
your CFS and push the fluid through the heads.

If all else fails - EPSON repair depot. We visit one on a weekly basis. I
figure that our testing lab is a microcosm of 40-50 separate users. At any
given moment 15 of us are in for repair - most often its electronic
replacements which do the trick.

good luck,

--------------------------------
may your highlights be dotless
and your tonal scale smooth,


Jon Cone
jon@...
Piezography(tm) brand software and inks
http://www.piezography.com
--------------------------------




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "cmpatti2001" <cmpatti@a...>
wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> I hadn't used my 1280 CFS system for a while, and after many trials
> and tribulations have got it working again.  I decided to try to
> Tyler Boley curves for the first time.  Although they seem to be
> giving me smoother tones, I've run into a new problem--light banding,
> most visible in the mid-highlights, running in the direction of the
> print head.  It is just visible to the naked eye with the print held
> at a reasonable viewing distance (say 12 inches).  I'm printing on
> EAM and am using all the recommended settings ("heavyweight matt,"
> 1440 dpi, "no color adjustment," and "high speed" and "smooth edge"
> unchecked).  My first couple of prints seemed fine, but now
> the "banding" has ruined several prints in a row.
> 
> I assume this is a relatively common issue, but I've not run into it
> before.  Any suggestions?
> 
> Chris Patti

Re: MIS-VM "Microbanding"

2002-10-16 by B. Alex Pettit Jr.

Hello Jon,
What an outstanding treatise on printer problems !
I have copied this for future reference. 

I agree, a piezo printer is a highly complex balanced system of electrical, mechanical, and software elements, combined with the external physical components as ink, environment and paper.

Fortunately, my Epson 2000P seems to be happy injesting MIS FSe inks ( and I force myself to Not get out the loupe on a daily basis to scrutinize the minute variations <smile> ) .

Best,
Alex

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jon Cone <piezobw@c...> wrote:
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> Chris,
> 
> I of all people am the least qualified to comment on MIS inks and  microbanding!
> 
>
> 
> good luck,
> 
> --------------------------------
> may your highlights be dotless
> and your tonal scale smooth,
> 
> 
> Jon Cone
> jon@c...
> Piezography(tm) brand software and inks
> http://www.piezography.com
> --------------------------------
>

Clog tips and latest CFS observations, was MIS-VM "Microbanding"

2002-10-16 by jim hayes

Living in a dry climate with two 1160's on a CIS and one 1280 on a CFS 
and individual carts (self filled) both. From this my modest 
observations:

1) Rule #1, IMPORTANT: run the thing at least once a day if not twice. 
I do a draft mode purge print from the MIS site. Then I follow with a 
nozzle check and up to two cleanings if needed. I once let a printer 
go for three weeks at 20% humidity and it killed it.

2) Humidity below 35%RH is not acceptable. You need at least 
around 40%RH. I have observed good results from about 38%-55% 
humidity.

3) High temperature can clog a printer. I find that printing at 66-72 
degrees F is ideal. If the temperature gets to 77 degrees F there is 
much more chance of clogs. Of course, relative humidity tracks 
temperature, so you have to readjust your humidifier as temperature 
changes. The equation is not so clear cut here as both temp and 
humidity are changing and it's hard to tell which is the culprit. And 
if you use a hot mist humidifier, it will increase temperature in room 
(but is better to combat mold growth which I definitely do not want in 
my print storage area).

4)Using a CFS vs seperate non-CFS carts will over time gunk up your 
printer. This is a fascinating new thing I'm discovering that I don't 
think the full extent of is realized by many yet-or it may apply just 
be my environment. For example I used expensive and labor intensive 
self filled carts with VM ink for a full six months. Every 12 hours I 
turned on the printer and did a purge print and a nozzle check. I had 
to do maybe one or two cleanings a week at most. Then in August I 
installed a CFS. For 1 1/2 months I got the same results every 12 
hours, but then- and at the same time I noted k ink caking on the 
inside of the bottle, I had to, with increasing frequency do cleaning 
cycles to get a good nozzle check. Now after 2 1/2 months on the CFS 
turning it on every 12 hours, I have to do at least one cleaning 
cycle, sometimes three (a few times that didn't even work) EVERY 12 
hours, not just once or twice a week. Shaking the bottles up every so 
often does not seem to improve it.

IOW, using a CFS for past two months has increased my needing to do 
cleaning cycles to clear printer by over SEVEN times from when I used 
seperate carts for an extended period of time. And it appears to be 
getting worse. 99+% of the time it is the k ink that is not giving a 
good nozzle check. By the random pattern of the missing lines in the 
k, it looks strongly like small clogs and not air bubbles I am 
clearing every 12 hours now. I suspect that the ink is evaporating out 
of the bottle/tubing leaving larger clumping particles both caking on 
the inside of the bottle, and worse, inside the printhead/cart. That 
is another reason to keep ink flowing thru head every day.

If I can get the CFS to last somewhere between 3-4 months, I will 
throw away the remaining ink in the bottles, and also the CFS with 
attached tubing. I will replace the CFS for about $40 and buy fresh 
ink. I could try getting two ounce bottles instead and sealing the 
remaining ink....or I could just go back to individual carts. A 
problem with seperate carts is that sometimes there are ink spills 
when installing new ones because of sputtering- air in the printhead. 
Also with the MIS chips on the 1280 I have to turn off and unplug 
printer every cart change as I have discovered it is very easy to blow 
these chips with power on when changing carts. Epson carts do not have 
this problem AFAIK.
Jim H. 







> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "cmpatti2001" 
<cmpatti@a...>
> wrote:
> > I hadn't used my 1280 CFS system for a while, and after many 
trials
> > and tribulations have got it working again.  I decided to try to
> > Tyler Boley curves for the first time.  Although they seem to be
> > giving me smoother tones, I've run into a new problem--light 
banding,
> > most visible in the mid-highlights, running in the direction of 
the
> > print head.  It is just visible to the naked eye

Re: MIS-VM "Microbanding"

2002-10-17 by Mitch Alland

To: Jon Cone <piezobw@...>

Jon:

> But I can tell you that we have a testing lab with somewhere between 
> 40 and
> 50 small EPSON printers. At any given moment about 15 are in for 
> repair. So
> we know that across the board, EPSON printers require a lot of 
> maintenance
> that the end-user is not able to do themselves.

Are the larger Epson printers, particularly  the 7600, more reliable in 
this respect?

--Mitch/Paris

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