RE: [Digital BW] Re: Calibration, softproof and convert to profile equivalence?
2002-10-21 by Jonah, Jim
Once you "convert to a profile" what you see on screen will not be what will print. Instead you'll show some colors exaggerated (to make up for the weakness of those colors in the printer/paper/ink combination). Unless you get lucky, or your images really don't push up against the edge of the printable gamut, the ability to have a "single" file that needs no editing before being printed on different papers doesn't really exist. Working in a color space such as Adobe98 and selecting the profile for your paper when printing is about as close as you'll get. By using the soft proof features of PS you can add additional layers that are specific for certain papers that help counteract the deficiencies of that paper. i.e. if the Mat paper looses some saturation, create a saturation layer, give it a name that indicates is only for printing on Mat paper, and turn it on right before you hit print - leaving it off for normal viewing/editing/tweaking of the image. The "convert to a profile" tends to be pretty destructive and really isn't necessary (unless sending an image to a service bureau that's requested you do this). Instead, learning how to manipulate the advanced sections of the print w/preview dialogue boxes will achieve the same thing without risking accidentally saving your image after you've converted it, and without having to manage several copies of the files - one for each paper. The old motto "K.I.S.S." works well here... Jim
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-----Original Message----- From: Tyler Boley [mailto:tyler@...] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 2:34 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Calibration, softproof and convert to profile equivalence? Seems to me you have grasped the whole thing quite well actually. All of your conclusions are correct. The only thing I can't verify from direct experience is the "convert to profile" aproach. It makes perfect sense, and is definitely worth trying. The only reason I hesitate to say it's a go is because I think I saw a post from Jon Cone that they couldn't verify the aproach there. I'd have tried it myself, but I only use one paper here. It would be worth remaining in 16 bit if possible when you do your conversion. Good work. Tyler --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Kevin Gulstene <kevin@d...> wrote: > I have used Tyler Boley's write-up of 'matching your monitor's view to > your print' for some time now with good success. Thank you Tyler. I am > starting to experiment with different papers and, unless I have > misunderstood something, this requires re-editing the image a little > for each paper. I have created a number of 'profiles', one for each > paper I use. I select the EAM profile and use that until I am fairly > happy with the image. Then, if I want to use another paper, I select > that 'profile' within the soft proof set-up. Of course the image on > screen changes to what it will look like on the new paper and I have to > edit the image again to make it look like I want it to on the new paper. > > Would it be equivalent, in terms of matching the print on different > papers to the screen, to edit the image is some default space like > gamma 2.2 and then use the 'convert to profile' function in PS to > convert the image to these same paper specific profiles just before > printing. That way I would only have to edit the image once. As long > as the profiles I create are good, I can print the image on any paper I > use without re-editing? > > This may be obvious to many, but I find the whole color > management/calibration thing a little baffling. There seems to be an > endless number of ways to get it wrong. > > Kevin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=212804.2460941.3878106.2273195/D=egroupweb/S=1705 019182:HM/A=810327/R=0/*http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info?.refer=blrecs > <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=212804.2460941.3878106.2273195/D=egroupweb/S=1705 019182:HM/A=810327/R=1/*http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info?.refer=blrecs > <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=212804.2460941.3878106.2273195/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=810327/rand=128796172> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]