Digital BW, The Print

Hello group...Hope someone can help me with this.  I am scaning using
the SS120 and PolaColor Insight for my 6x7 work.  (I also have
SilverFast, but it won't work with the glass film strip holder for
6x7.)  I want to scan in greyscale for a variety of reasons.  When the
preview screen is set "B&W negative" and I then try to go to either
the curves screen or the histogram screen to set the black and white
points, my file size triples.  I suspect by setting the black and
white points the software is scaning in RGB.  I don't know for sure,
because the file size keeps bugging up the PC and I have yet to open
one of these monsterous files to see if it actually is RGB.  If I
don't set the black and white points, I get the expected greyscale
scan with the much lower file size.

Am I doing something wrong here?  Can't I set the black and white
points and still get a greyscale scan?

Any help would be appreciated.

Val Brunell

hi Val-
i tried using polacolor insight for grayscale scanning and was getting 
very poor spiked histograms. i have switched to silverfast and have 
been getting excellent results. i too, have the glass carrier and use 
it for up to 6x9 scans in silverfast. i have to insert the original 
polaroid mf holder when starting silverfast. after silverfast starts i 
eject the original holder and load the glass carrier and everything 
works fine. finally to answer your questions grayscale scans always 
result in smaller file sizes relative to their rgb counterparts. i am 
not sure about setting the black and white points - but they work great 
in silverfast and from my experience you'll get better scans the 
polacolor. hope this helps

mikeb
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hope this helps
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> mikeb
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Mike...Thanks for taking the time for your reply.  I'll give it a
whirl with the SilverFast.  BTW, do you set the black and white points
in SF?

Val

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Hi Val.

i usually just use the automatic feature first to see how close 
silverfast gets. i then go in manually and set the end points. i also 
make sure i scan in 16 bit grayscale mode. if you don't have the 16 bit 
grayscale that allows you to edit the image in silverfast you should 
check the free update on the silverfast website that allows 16bit 
editing within silverfast.

mike



On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 02:58 PM, Val Brunell wrote:

> hope this helps
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> > mikeb
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> Mike...Thanks for taking the time for your reply.  I'll give it a
> whirl with the SilverFast.  BTW, do you set the black and white points
> in SF?
>
> Val
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Val,

I use SilverFast 5.5, the SS120 and the glass film holder to scan 645 
negs with no problems. It works like any of the other film holders 
for the SS120 and I don't see why it shouldn't work with your 6x7 
negs just as well. I don't care much for PolaColar. Have you updated 
the firmware of the scanner to 1.3?


mike

>
>Hello group...Hope someone can help me with this.  I am scaning using
>the SS120 and PolaColor Insight for my 6x7 work.  (I also have
>SilverFast, but it won't work with the glass film strip holder for
>6x7.)  I want to scan in greyscale for a variety of reasons.  When the
>preview screen is set "B&W negative" and I then try to go to either
>the curves screen or the histogram screen to set the black and white
>points, my file size triples.  I suspect by setting the black and
>white points the software is scaning in RGB.  I don't know for sure,
>because the file size keeps bugging up the PC and I have yet to open
>one of these monsterous files to see if it actually is RGB.  If I
>don't set the black and white points, I get the expected greyscale
>scan with the much lower file size.
>
>Am I doing something wrong here?  Can't I set the black and white
>points and still get a greyscale scan?
>
>Any help would be appreciated.
>
>Val Brunell
>