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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Printing for Editions?

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Printing for Editions?

2002-11-18 by Julian Thomas

> All this is just rolling around in my head. Plus, I'm pissed that my
> pigments in my 9600 won't produce a quality black on matte
> paper, and I can't go to dyes for fear of fading. So I'm acting kinda
> like a mouse who's back in a corner. Everywhere I turn, it's the
> wrong way.
>
Mark, I'm playing around with the idea of dyes precisely because I want a
good black. There are only two worth looking at IMO - the Lincoln's
(www.lincolninks.com) and the Ilford Archiva. Now these, with the right
paper, are both tested to 25 years by Wilhelm. It's enough for me. As you
said before, it is the image that counts. Printing using a small gamut or
poor blacks because fading will set in 10 years or so later is crazy IMO.
Just think how much nonphotographic art out there wouldn't happen if those
criteria applied .

Julian

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Printing for Editions?

2002-11-18 by Andrew Biggs

Mark-
 
I took a look at your 1997 'Body Image Show: What you Eat', and I cannot
help giggling at some of the entries. But the one that stands out has to
be Jim Herrington's 'broccoli casserole at rotiers'. My whole family
went to Vandy, and I am very familiar with Nashvegas, and I have no clue
how somebody could choose rotier's for something other than their
burgers. In fact, I think they put some kind of drug in their beef
patties; they are soooo good.
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	-----Original Message-----
	From: Mark Tucker [mailto:mark@...] 
	Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:08 PM
	To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
	Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Printing for Editions?
	
	
	--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "frankg_photo" 
	<frank@f...> wrote:
	or, you later learn a new 
	> techniquein PS that greatly enhances the image, or in the
fresh 
	light 
	> of dawn, you simply change your mind and that top right hand 
	corner 
	> just has to be be a tad darker :-). Can any evolving artist
really 
	> close the door on these options ?
	
	_______
	
	A photographer is always evolving and learning new methods, 
	shortcuts, and techniques. He's always perfecting his craft.
It's a 
	natural evolution.
	
	Let's also hope that he's also continuing to shoot photographs. 
	New photographs. Any new techniques that you naturally learn 
	along the way would be applied to these new photographs that 
	you're making.
	
	Who wants to sit around and obsess over some photograph that 
	you made five years ago? You did your best at that time; that
was 
	then, this is now. The past is the past.
	
	I put up some images on my site this weekend that I shot fifteen

	years ago. My connection to them is moderate to average; I 
	simply copied the fiber print with a digital camera to get them 
	onto the web. I didn't obsess over them. Almost, in some weird 
	way, when I impulsively went to burn down a corner in one of 
	them, I stopped because I felt like I was violating the image. I

	printed like I printed in 1985; I want to respect that. I print
like I 
	print in 2002; obviously with a very different take on life. I
think 
	each one deserves respect.
	
	Just my opinion. But I'm not looking backwards.
	
	-MT
	
	
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Printing for Editions?

2002-11-18 by Tina Manley

At 10:23 AM 11/18/02 +0100, you wrote:
>Mark, I'm playing around with the idea of dyes precisely because I want a
>good black. There are only two worth looking at IMO - the Lincoln's
>(www.lincolninks.com) and the Ilford Archiva. Now these, with the right
>paper, are both tested to 25 years by Wilhelm. It's enough for me. As you
>said before, it is the image that counts. Printing using a small gamut or
>poor blacks because fading will set in 10 years or so later is crazy IMO.
>Just think how much nonphotographic art out there wouldn't happen if those
>criteria applied .
>
>Julian
>

I'm using the original Cone quad-black inks on photo rag and my blacks 
could not be darker.  I'm matting them with black mats and the blacks in 
the prints are as black as the matts.  I don't see how there could be a 
better black.

Tina


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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Printing for Editions?

2002-11-18 by Tim Atherton

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----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2002 2:41 pm
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> Does anybody have the URL for the stock solution? THanks in 
> advance !
> 
> Jerry
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