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Selling my 1290 and 1160+Piezography in Bangkok

Selling my 1290 and 1160+Piezography in Bangkok

2002-12-08 by Mitch Alland

Having just received my new 7600, I would like to sell the following 
two Epson printers in Bangkok:

-Epson 1290 (which I have used for color)
-Epson 1160 + Piexography (for B&W) with 16 oz bottles of MIS FSN ink 
that are 7/8th full

I bought both printers a year ago, and they have had light use, only 
about 200 prints each. I would like to sell them at a reasonable (low) 
price.

If you are interested, please contact me by e-mail. Also please contact 
me if you know of a Thai language bulletin board where I can offer 
these printers for sale.

--Mitch/Bangkok

Re: Selling my 1290 and 1160+Piezography in Bangkok

2002-12-13 by Bill Iverson <wiverson@cov.com>

Mitch, having seen some of your work (if I've got the name right -- 
when you parachuted into our briefly-lived D.C. Piezo group?), I'm 
really most interested in how you find color and BW prints from your 
7600

Bill Iverson


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mitch Alland 
<malland@x> wrote:
> Having just received my new 7600, I would like to sell the 
following 
> two Epson printers in Bangkok:
> 
> -Epson 1290 (which I have used for color)
> -Epson 1160 + Piexography (for B&W) with 16 oz bottles of MIS FSN 
ink 
> that are 7/8th full
> 
> I bought both printers a year ago, and they have had light use, 
only 
> about 200 prints each. I would like to sell them at a reasonable 
(low) 
> price.
> 
> If you are interested, please contact me by e-mail. Also please 
contact 
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> me if you know of a Thai language bulletin board where I can offer 
> these printers for sale.
> 
> --Mitch/Bangkok

Re: Selling my 1290 and 1160+Piezography in Bangkok

2002-12-13 by Mitch Alland

Bill:

> Mitch, having seen some of your work (if I've got the name right --
> when you parachuted into our briefly-lived D.C. Piezo group?), I'm
> really most interested in how you find color and BW prints from your
> 7600

Earlier this week, I posted my initial experience on the Epson9000 list 
as follows:

> Subject: Results from new 7600
>
> Having received my 7600 on Monday, I started with Photo Black and 
> Epson Premium Semi-Matte paper hoping for "satisfying blacks." Also I 
> purchased ImagePrint 5 and downloaded the Atkinson profiles. Here's my 
> experience so far:
>
>
> Color
> -------
> I prefer the results with the Atkinson profile to the ImagePrint, and 
> so do other people who have seen the two sets of prints. The results 
> form the Atkinson and ImagePrint profiles are very close, but the 
> ImagePrint profiles produce more open shadows and the darker shadow 
> areas of the Atkinson profile look better in the prints. I tried both 
> the 1440 and 2880 Atkinson profiles and could not find any difference 
> between the two, looking either with the naked eye or through a 10x 
> loupe, so my advice is to conserve ink and print at 1440.
>
> Color prints on the Semi-Matte paper look acceptable, although I still 
> prefer the matte papers, EAM and Photo Rag, that I previously used on 
> the 1290.
>
>
> B&W
> -------
> I made B&W prints using only ImagePrint and compared them to prints 
> made with Piezography using an 1160 on EAM and Photo Rag.
>
> The look of the prints on Semi-Matte are, to put it simply, yucky; and 
> there is some bronzing depending on the angle at which the prints are 
> being viewed.
>
> The Piezography prints look much better mainly because the of the 
> matte papers which gives better contrast and more luminous look . 
> Again, the ImagePrint prints show a little more shadow detail than the 
> Piezography prints, but I don't know whether this is because of the 
> difference in the matte versus glossy-type paper or because of the 
> ImagePrint profile; perhaps it's a combination of the two. But the 
> lesser shadow detail (darker shadows) looks better.
>
>
> Conclusions
> ----------------
> Photo Black and the Semi-Matte paper with the Atkinson profile is a 
> perfectly acceptable solution for color prints, and is indeed very 
> close in visual quality and gamut to prints using 1290 (dye) inks on 
> matte paper. I think the difference in the "semi-gloss" of the 
> Semi-Matte paper and the matte papers would not show in prints framed 
> under glass. If I were printing only color I would have no need for 
> ImagePrint.
>
> For B&W prints the Semi-Matte paper is unacceptable.
>
> I think that after completing some twenty-five prints for an 
> exhibition on the Semi-Matte paper (mainly at 16x24 and some at 24x36 
> inch size), I'll switch to a matte paper.
>
>
> Questions:
> --------------
> 1. My matte paper experience is only with Photo Rag, which I like a 
> lot, but an Epson paper is more easily available in Bangkok. I 
> understand Epson Velvet Fine Art produces a good gamut. Any 
> suggestions for matte paper to use?
>
> 2. I assume that I'll have to switch to Photo Black, or is there some 
> Photo Black/matte paper combination that works well? [I wish Epson had 
> included 8 ink cartridges which allow keeping Photo Black and Matte 
> Black ink in the printer all the time...and a ninth cartridge for 
> spraying a polyurethane coating :-) ]
>
> 3. I am still within my 30-day trial period for ImagePrint. I assume I 
> will need it for B&W, or do you think I can get good B&W results with 
> the Atkinson profiles? I gather this is what Mark Tucker is doing, 
> with some tweaking of the profiles, but I don't have a "tweaker."
>
> --Mitch/Bangkok

Since then I just started using the Mac OSX version of ImagePrint, and 
I will be posting some more conclusions on the Epson9000 list, which 
are likely to be much more favorable to IP5. Would you like me to 
cross-post here, or can you follow this on Epson9000?

--Mitch/Bangkok



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Re: Selling my 1290 and 1160+Piezography in Bangkok

2002-12-17 by Bill Iverson <wiverson@cov.com>

Mitch,
     Thanks, very helpful.  No future need to cross-post -- I'll 
follow your progress on the Epson9000.  Good luck

Bill

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mitch Alland 
<malland@x> wrote:
> Bill:
> 
> > Mitch, having seen some of your work (if I've got the name right -
-
> > when you parachuted into our briefly-lived D.C. Piezo group?), I'm
> > really most interested in how you find color and BW prints from 
your
> > 7600
> 
> Earlier this week, I posted my initial experience on the Epson9000 
list 
> as follows:
> 
> > Subject: Results from new 7600
> >
> > Having received my 7600 on Monday, I started with Photo Black and 
> > Epson Premium Semi-Matte paper hoping for "satisfying blacks." 
Also I 
> > purchased ImagePrint 5 and downloaded the Atkinson profiles. 
Here's my 
> > experience so far:
> >
> >
> > Color
> > -------
> > I prefer the results with the Atkinson profile to the ImagePrint, 
and 
> > so do other people who have seen the two sets of prints. The 
results 
> > form the Atkinson and ImagePrint profiles are very close, but the 
> > ImagePrint profiles produce more open shadows and the darker 
shadow 
> > areas of the Atkinson profile look better in the prints. I tried 
both 
> > the 1440 and 2880 Atkinson profiles and could not find any 
difference 
> > between the two, looking either with the naked eye or through a 
10x 
> > loupe, so my advice is to conserve ink and print at 1440.
> >
> > Color prints on the Semi-Matte paper look acceptable, although I 
still 
> > prefer the matte papers, EAM and Photo Rag, that I previously 
used on 
> > the 1290.
> >
> >
> > B&W
> > -------
> > I made B&W prints using only ImagePrint and compared them to 
prints 
> > made with Piezography using an 1160 on EAM and Photo Rag.
> >
> > The look of the prints on Semi-Matte are, to put it simply, 
yucky; and 
> > there is some bronzing depending on the angle at which the prints 
are 
> > being viewed.
> >
> > The Piezography prints look much better mainly because the of the 
> > matte papers which gives better contrast and more luminous look . 
> > Again, the ImagePrint prints show a little more shadow detail 
than the 
> > Piezography prints, but I don't know whether this is because of 
the 
> > difference in the matte versus glossy-type paper or because of 
the 
> > ImagePrint profile; perhaps it's a combination of the two. But 
the 
> > lesser shadow detail (darker shadows) looks better.
> >
> >
> > Conclusions
> > ----------------
> > Photo Black and the Semi-Matte paper with the Atkinson profile is 
a 
> > perfectly acceptable solution for color prints, and is indeed 
very 
> > close in visual quality and gamut to prints using 1290 (dye) inks 
on 
> > matte paper. I think the difference in the "semi-gloss" of the 
> > Semi-Matte paper and the matte papers would not show in prints 
framed 
> > under glass. If I were printing only color I would have no need 
for 
> > ImagePrint.
> >
> > For B&W prints the Semi-Matte paper is unacceptable.
> >
> > I think that after completing some twenty-five prints for an 
> > exhibition on the Semi-Matte paper (mainly at 16x24 and some at 
24x36 
> > inch size), I'll switch to a matte paper.
> >
> >
> > Questions:
> > --------------
> > 1. My matte paper experience is only with Photo Rag, which I like 
a 
> > lot, but an Epson paper is more easily available in Bangkok. I 
> > understand Epson Velvet Fine Art produces a good gamut. Any 
> > suggestions for matte paper to use?
> >
> > 2. I assume that I'll have to switch to Photo Black, or is there 
some 
> > Photo Black/matte paper combination that works well? [I wish 
Epson had 
> > included 8 ink cartridges which allow keeping Photo Black and 
Matte 
> > Black ink in the printer all the time...and a ninth cartridge for 
> > spraying a polyurethane coating :-) ]
> >
> > 3. I am still within my 30-day trial period for ImagePrint. I 
assume I 
> > will need it for B&W, or do you think I can get good B&W results 
with 
> > the Atkinson profiles? I gather this is what Mark Tucker is 
doing, 
> > with some tweaking of the profiles, but I don't have a "tweaker."
> >
> > --Mitch/Bangkok
> 
> Since then I just started using the Mac OSX version of ImagePrint, 
and 
> I will be posting some more conclusions on the Epson9000 list, 
which 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> are likely to be much more favorable to IP5. Would you like me to 
> cross-post here, or can you follow this on Epson9000?
> 
> --Mitch/Bangkok
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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