Digital BW, The Print

You won't get this with oem inks. You'll need a hex set of black inks
such as the VM or FS inks from MIS.  THen you'll need to use one of Paul
Roark's curves to print it properly on the paper you choose. He has
written his curves for Epson's Archival Matte paper, and possibly a few
others. You change your grayscale file to RGB just before printing it.
Once you get a good print on the EAM paper, you can usually use many
other papers, with just a small tweak in photoshop's adjustment layers

Jerry



"ogun " wrote:

> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have recently joined this group in my quest for achieving good BW
> prints. My printer is the Epson1270 and my Image processor PS7. I
> have been frustrated by the prints  that I obtain. They leave much
> to be desired: yellow, magenta or cyanide casts. The prints also
> lack punch...I have experimented with all sorts of printing spaces
> whether black or RGB as suggested by the various web sites dedicated
> to BW printing without being satisfied . I have so far used only
> Epson oem cartridges.
> I am looking for someone who has had success with this printer and
> who can offer me advice.
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> J-D
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> You won't get this with oem inks. You'll need a hex set of black 
inks
> such as the VM or FS inks from MIS.  THen you'll need to use one 
of Paul
> Roark's curves to print it properly on the paper you choose. He has
> written his curves for Epson's Archival Matte paper, and possibly 
a few
> others. You change your grayscale file to RGB just before printing 
it.
> Once you get a good print on the EAM paper, you can usually use 
many
> other papers, with just a small tweak in photoshop's adjustment 
layers
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> Jerry,

Thanks for taking the time to address my problem. I have just 
ordered Lyson small gamut black and color in the hope that I will 
see some progress. But please enlighten me: VM, FS, what do they 
stand for? Paul Roark, where do I find his stuff?

Many thanks

Jean-David

The small gamut inks are good, you will get much better prints than
you've been getting with the oem inks.

Just keep reading on this list. Everything you'll ever want to know will
be and has been discussed here.

Paul Roark's curves can be had from paul.roark@...

Go to the http://www.inkjetsupplies.com  and look over their offerings
on inkjet inks and papers and workflows. 

First, choose a couple of papers you really like. Make the Epson
Archival Matte on of those papers for comparison purposes. You can get a
nice deep black on this paper, and it is quite inexpensive at http://www.atlex.com

I think the paper is sold as Epson Enhanced Matte now.  They changed the name.

The paper is only about 12 dollars for 50 sheets of letter.

If you like cool tones, get the VM inkset from MIS Supply (inkjet
Supply). If you like warmer prints get the FS (Full Spectrum) inks. They
make a lot of different inks and Paul has written curves for several. 
If you like sepia tones, he has curves for that too. With the VM, you
can print either very cold to warm prints depending on which of Paul
Roark's curves you use.

You will probably also want a continuous inking system (5 different
shades of gray and one black ink) that comes in 4 ounce bottles, and
each CIS has a set of cartridges that replace your epson original
cartridges. Your ink cost will be cut by 80 percent or so.

Nomorecarts makes the best CIS system, Media Street's Niagara II is a
very nice system, but they don't have black inks and it comes prefilled
with color inks, so that probably wouldn't do for you. 
http://inkjetgoodies.com has a CIS, and so does 
http://inkjetart.com

I'd recommend using the Media Street Generations 4 Enhanced Black with
whatever other hextone inks you use, because it is blacker than any
other ink out there.

All MIS, Generations, and Epson dye inks are compatible. MIS VM inks and
Generations 4 inks are pigmented inks. (They last a lot longer than dye inks).

 Jerry

> Thanks for taking the time to address my problem. I have just
> ordered Lyson small gamut black and color in the hope that I will
> see some progress. But please enlighten me: VM, FS, what do they
> stand for?

FS, although standing for "Full Spectrum" is a black and gray inkset.
VM is the Variable tone inkset that goes from warm to cold, depending on
the curve used. It is 5 shades of gray and a black, also.

Jerry,

Thank you for all the info. I am set to begin that quest for quality 
BW prints with the hope that the info provided will prevent it from 
turning quixotic.

Jean-David

Jerry Olson wrote:

>The small gamut inks are good, you will get much better prints than
>you've been getting with the oem inks.
>
>Just keep reading on this list. Everything you'll ever want to know will
>be and has been discussed here.
>
>
>  
>
And Jerry has tried most of them!

he may seem a bit anal about the highest possible dMax, but people like 
Jerry expand the envelope by pushing it.. Then the rest of us can join 
them and actually use these tools, as they do, to create art..
-- 
Keith

 

"Just some guy," and founder of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer 
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
Publications), at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSONx7x_Printers/
 
"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together 
guys"

 




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Keith, I'm still waiting for the 2.0 D max on watercolor papers.  Seems
as if I saw, many years ago, an incredible black by an early lyson
inkset.  But it had metamerism, and faded quickly.

I am happy with paul's curves, VM inks, etc., on a paper like wells
river, except the flaking is terrible.  Why in the world hasn't this
been corrected by now by the paper manufacturers?  I now rub down every
paper before printing with an Ilford negative cleaning cloth. Fairly
hard, too. It doesn't seem to affect the looks of the paper at all, and
it sure helps with flaking! The printing industry sure doesn't have this
problem, and they print on all kinds of papers.  I've never seen flaking
in a magazine, or in anything else printed on a real printing press.

Jerry



"Editor P.O.V. Image Service" wrote:

> 
> Jerry Olson wrote:
> 
> >The small gamut inks are good, you will get much better prints than
> >you've been getting with the oem inks.
> >
> >Just keep reading on this list. Everything you'll ever want to know will
> >be and has been discussed here.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> And Jerry has tried most of them!
> 
> he may seem a bit anal about the highest possible dMax, but people like
> Jerry expand the envelope by pushing it.. Then the rest of us can join
> them and actually use these tools, as they do, to create art..
> --
> Keith
> 
> 
> 
> "Just some guy," and founder of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer
> User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo
> Publications), at:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSONx7x_Printers/
> 
> "For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together
> guys"
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
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