Digital BW, The Print

How does being able to understand someone's diction help in being a
photographer? If you mean that you must be able to understand the message of
his written words that is one thing. But there are deaf photographers and
non-English speaking ones who do not understand Dylan. At his concert I
could not make out the words he was saying nor can I on some of his recorded
songs. How does that make me less of a photographer?
As a songwriter he is talented and truly visionary. As a big Byrds fan how
could I not like his writting. Taste has nothing to do with being able to
understand someone's pronouciation.
Please clarify how much deeper is the need to be able to understand Dylan's
singing (not his songs but his singing) in order to be a good photographer?

Confused with your messge


----- Original Message -----
From: <pasajack@...>
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Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:21 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] dylan sings


> if you can't understand what bob dylan is saying, you can never be a
> good photographer. And it is not just a matter of taste-it goes
> deeper...
> Pasajack
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It was a joke shukster- I was shucking you


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ivan 
Shukster" <shukster@m...> wrote:
> How does being able to understand someone's diction help in 
being a
> photographer? If you mean that you must be able to 
understand the message of
> his written words that is one thing. But there are deaf 
photographers and
> non-English speaking ones who do not understand Dylan. At 
his concert I
> could not make out the words he was saying nor can I on 
some of his recorded
> songs. How does that make me less of a photographer?
> As a songwriter he is talented and truly visionary. As a big 
Byrds fan how
> could I not like his writting. Taste has nothing to do with being 
able to
> understand someone's pronouciation.
> Please clarify how much deeper is the need to be able to 
understand Dylan's
> singing (not his songs but his singing) in order to be a good 
photographer?
> 
> Confused with your messge
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <pasajack@y...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:21 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] dylan sings
> 
> 
> > if you can't understand what bob dylan is saying, you can 
never be a
> > good photographer. And it is not just a matter of taste-it goes
> > deeper...
> > Pasajack
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Thanks for clearing that up. Just did not understand as guess it was too
subtle for me.


----- Original Message -----
From: <pasajack@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] dylan sings


> It was a joke shukster- I was shucking you
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ivan
> Shukster" <shukster@m...> wrote:
> > How does being able to understand someone's diction help in
> being a
> > photographer? If you mean that you must be able to
> understand the message of
> > his written words that is one thing. But there are deaf
> photographers and
> > non-English speaking ones who do not understand Dylan. At
> his concert I
> > could not make out the words he was saying nor can I on
> some of his recorded
> > songs. How does that make me less of a photographer?
> > As a songwriter he is talented and truly visionary. As a big
> Byrds fan how
> > could I not like his writting. Taste has nothing to do with being
> able to
> > understand someone's pronouciation.
> > Please clarify how much deeper is the need to be able to
> understand Dylan's
> > singing (not his songs but his singing) in order to be a good
> photographer?
> >
> > Confused with your messge
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <pasajack@y...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:21 PM
> > Subject: [Digital BW] dylan sings
> >
> >
> > > if you can't understand what bob dylan is saying, you can
> never be a
> > > good photographer. And it is not just a matter of taste-it goes
> > > deeper...
> > > Pasajack
> > >
> > >
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I'm a fairly good photographer, and I could care less what Dylan said. I
couldn't stand his voice long enough to get through a song you couldn't
understand anyhoo because he mumbled, does mumble, and in all likelihood
will mumble in the future :).

Jerry  http://www.westernechoes.com

"pasajack " wrote:
> 
> if you can't understand what bob dylan is saying, you can never be a
> good photographer.

And what in the world does one thing have to do with another.  

 And it is not just a matter of taste-it goes

> deeper...
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> I'm a fairly good photographer, and I could care less what Dylan said. I
> couldn't stand his voice long enough to get through a song you couldn't
> understand anyhoo because he mumbled, does mumble, and in all likelihood
> will mumble in the future :).

Jerry,

Very, very funny...thanks for the laugh...and oh, BTW, I certainly agree ;-)

Austin

Too subtle or too stupid-it is a fine line...

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ivan Shukster" 
<shukster@m...> wrote:
> Thanks for clearing that up. Just did not understand as guess it 
was too
> subtle for me.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <pasajack@y...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] dylan sings
> 
> 
> > It was a joke shukster- I was shucking you
> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ivan
> > Shukster" <shukster@m...> wrote:
> > > How does being able to understand someone's diction help in
> > being a
> > > photographer? If you mean that you must be able to
> > understand the message of
> > > his written words that is one thing. But there are deaf
> > photographers and
> > > non-English speaking ones who do not understand Dylan. At
> > his concert I
> > > could not make out the words he was saying nor can I on
> > some of his recorded
> > > songs. How does that make me less of a photographer?
> > > As a songwriter he is talented and truly visionary. As a big
> > Byrds fan how
> > > could I not like his writting. Taste has nothing to do with 
being
> > able to
> > > understand someone's pronouciation.
> > > Please clarify how much deeper is the need to be able to
> > understand Dylan's
> > > singing (not his songs but his singing) in order to be a good
> > photographer?
> > >
> > > Confused with your messge
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <pasajack@y...>
> > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:21 PM
> > > Subject: [Digital BW] dylan sings
> > >
> > >
> > > > if you can't understand what bob dylan is saying, you can
> > never be a
> > > > good photographer. And it is not just a matter of taste-it 
goes
> > > > deeper...
> > > > Pasajack
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files,
> > Bookmarks, Polls and
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> > at:
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