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Re: [Digital BW] flatbed recommendation?

Re: [Digital BW] flatbed recommendation?

2002-12-31 by Jerry Olson

Most of the epson's are fine for hard copy work. None of them are
particularly sharp for film scans.  (See current issue of Design
Graphics Magazines for what they say about the 2 current epson flatbeds)
(SOFT scans for film)!

Jerry



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> a friend has asked for a recommendation for a flatbed . Since i have
> a really old Scanmaker III , I am not abreast of what the flatbed of
> choice is - I suspect it'll be aan Epson - can you recommend a model
> number and why?
> 
> thanks
> Frank
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Re: [Digital BW] flatbed recommendation?

2002-12-31 by john sutherland <uncljohnson@yahoo.com>

By raising the negative holder in the 2450 a few 32nd's of an inch, 
you can actually achieve a much sharper scan, but still a bit fuzzy 
from what i have read.

There is an interesting indirect quote on the norman koren site, told 
in typical Epson fasion- "The epson 2450 is so good, that they can 
sell it as a 3200 dpi scanner." 

Epson's new 3200 scanner may soon have some competion from Canon. The 
newest B&H catalog lists the Canonscan 9900f, a 3200 dpi flatbed with 
a 4x5 transparency adapter, priced a $399.95.  unfortunately, this 
scanner isn't listed on B&H's website, nor is it listed on Canon's 
(at least the north american side of it). I have no idea how canon's 
scanners compare to epson's, but considering that many have said the 
new epson uses essentially the same hardware as the 2450, and may be 
essentually be the same scanner except for faster scan times, this 
new canon may be the way to go.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> Most of the epson's are fine for hard copy work. None of them are
> particularly sharp for film scans.  (See current issue of Design
> Graphics Magazines for what they say about the 2 current epson 
flatbeds)
> (SOFT scans for film)!
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> "frankg_photo " wrote:
> > 
> > a friend has asked for a recommendation for a flatbed . Since i 
have
> > a really old Scanmaker III , I am not abreast of what the flatbed 
of
> > choice is - I suspect it'll be aan Epson - can you recommend a 
model
> > number and why?
> > 
> > thanks
> > Frank
> > 
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page 
is at:
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
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RE: [Digital BW] flatbed recommendation?

2002-12-31 by Shire,Stanley

I read that stuff a long while ago re: raising the Epson film carrier.
Use very precise shims; tried many scans with varying thicknesses. The
scans were no sharper than flat on the glass. I think it may be that
some scanners were out of whack and shimming brought them into spec. 
 
 

Stan Shire
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Community College of Philadelphia
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By raising the negative holder in the 2450 a few 32nd's of an inch, 
you can actually achieve a much sharper scan, but still a bit fuzzy 
from what i have read.

There is an interesting indirect quote on the norman koren site, told 
in typical Epson fasion- "The epson 2450 is so good, that they can 
sell it as a 3200 dpi scanner." 

Epson's new 3200 scanner may soon have some competion from Canon. The 
newest B&H catalog lists the Canonscan 9900f, a 3200 dpi flatbed with 
a 4x5 transparency adapter, priced a $399.95.  unfortunately, this 
scanner isn't listed on B&H's website, nor is it listed on Canon's 
(at least the north american side of it). I have no idea how canon's 
scanners compare to epson's, but considering that many have said the 
new epson uses essentially the same hardware as the 2450, and may be 
essentually be the same scanner except for faster scan times, this 
new canon may be the way to go.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> Most of the epson's are fine for hard copy work. None of them are
> particularly sharp for film scans.  (See current issue of Design
> Graphics Magazines for what they say about the 2 current epson 
flatbeds)
> (SOFT scans for film)!
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> "frankg_photo " wrote:
> > 
> > a friend has asked for a recommendation for a flatbed . Since i 
have
> > a really old Scanmaker III , I am not abreast of what the flatbed 
of
> > choice is - I suspect it'll be aan Epson - can you recommend a 
model
> > number and why?
> > 
> > thanks
> > Frank
> > 
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page 
is at:
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > 
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RE: [Digital BW] flatbed recommendation?

2002-12-31 by Tim Atherton

>
> I read that stuff a long while ago re: raising the Epson film carrier.
> Use very precise shims; tried many scans with varying thicknesses. The
> scans were no sharper than flat on the glass. I think it may be that
> some scanners were out of whack and shimming brought them into spec.

There was also a problem with the earlier Epson 1600 scanners where the zig
zag pattern of the cold cathode tubes of the transparency adapter showed up
in even areas on 120 scans and larger. You had to raise the lids 1/2" or so
above the bed to get rid of it...

tim

Re: [Digital BW] flatbed recommendation?

2002-12-31 by smithj72 <smithj72@yahoo.com>

I found the exact same thing.  Of course once you get the film far 
from the glass you can see a noticble dropoff in sharpness. I 
tried everything from straight on the glass, to in the provided 
holder, to having the provided holder shimmed up about 1/16 of 
an inch, and I saw no noticable difference.

Justin

Stan wrote:

> Use very precise shims; tried many scans with varying 
thicknesses. The
> scans were no sharper than flat on the glass. I think it may be 
that
> some scanners were out of whack and shimming brought 
them into spec. 
>  
>

Re: [Digital BW] flatbed recommendation?

2003-01-01 by John Labovitz

On 12/31/02 2:47 PM, "smithj72 <smithj72@...>" <smithj72@...>
wrote:

> I found the exact same thing.  Of course once you get the film far
> from the glass you can see a noticble dropoff in sharpness. I
> tried everything from straight on the glass, to in the provided
> holder, to having the provided holder shimmed up about 1/16 of
> an inch, and I saw no noticable difference.

I realized a while back that my Epson 1680 was probably out of focus (in
comparing with scans on someone else's scanner).  I've been just accepting
it, and not being too bothered.  (By the way, I just put film on the glass,
not in the holder.)

But I would like to fix the focus.  Has anyone tried to readjust the focus
for these scanners?  Is there a service manual out there?

-- 
John Labovitz
johnl@...
www.johnlabovitz.com

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