Digital BW, The Print

In a message dated 09/14/2001 11:23:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
mwesley250@... writes:

<< Steve,
 
 How are you doing with the MIS? The last we heard from you things 
 were not going so well and you thought you might have received the 
 wrong ink for the black position. Any success in sorting things out?
 
 Martin
  >>
As of a week ago, I solved my weak black problem, MIS inks on the 7000, With 
Tylers help! We started with  making new curves!  I installed MIS Full 
Spectrum Black And at this point I'm satisfied with the black. Previously I 
had the VM Hex black installed. It is unknown if the VM black was mislabeled 
But the Full spectrum black measures almost a 5% increase in density. This is 
still a little shy of the Piezo black from my 3000 but very close. I have not 
seen any better output than a good 3000 Piezo system can produce, including 
the 7000. 
Now I'm just making a variety of prints to evaluate the overall tone of the 
MIS inks in comparison to Piezo. The tone of MIS standard vs. piezo is quite 
different, I am printing on Royal Plush. Jazz and Sumerset E. I've started a 
window test with MIS and Piezo prints side by side in hopes that that will 
help me decided if I want to bother with these inks. I am a happy Piezo user 
and this whole exploration Back to MIS has been stressful, I used MIS Quads 
inks in 1999. As far as output! Piezo is my choice. I've looked at prints 
with a loupe for many hours (something I don't usually do). Without any 
scientific evidence, My opinion is that that Piezo inks and software are the 
higher quality inks and software.
I do like the MIS inks on Sumerset E but find the tone On Jazz and Plush kind 
of an odd neutral. I'am going to wait another month or so and see what kind 
of tone shifting I get With these MIS inks. I am getting nice prints from my 
7000 now which is a lot more fun  than testing. I have a thing for big 
prints, so I'am playing with Scanner printer limits at this point. as far as 
size.
Steve Meyers

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., sdmey4@a... wrote:

(snip)
>  
>  Martin
>   >>
> As of a week ago, I solved my weak black problem, MIS inks on the 
7000, With 
> Tylers help! We started with  making new curves!  I installed MIS 
Full 
> Spectrum Black And at this point I'm satisfied with the black. 
Previously I 
> had the VM Hex black installed. It is unknown if the VM black was 
mislabeled 
> But the Full spectrum black measures almost a 5% increase in 
density. 

Steve,

Glad to hear you got that end of it sorted out.

> This is 
> still a little shy of the Piezo black from my 3000 but very close. 
I have not 
> seen any better output than a good 3000 Piezo system can produce, 
including 
> the 7000.

A number of people have mentioned that 3000 is still the champ in 
terms of the amount of ink that it can lay down compared to the newer 
printers including the 7000 and 9000. Do you think this is a factor?
 
> Now I'm just making a variety of prints to evaluate the overall 
tone of the 
> MIS inks in comparison to Piezo. The tone of MIS standard vs. piezo 
is quite 
> different, I am printing on Royal Plush. Jazz and Sumerset E. I've 
started a 
> window test with MIS and Piezo prints side by side in hopes that 
that will 
> help me decided if I want to bother with these inks. I am a happy 
Piezo user 
> and this whole exploration Back to MIS has been stressful, I used 
MIS Quads 
> inks in 1999. As far as output! Piezo is my choice. I've looked at 
prints 
> with a loupe for many hours (something I don't usually do). Without 
any 
> scientific evidence, My opinion is that that Piezo inks and 
software are the 
> higher quality inks and software.

In comparing the Piezo and MIS print quality, does print size 
contribute? Is there a bigger quality difference in large prints 
compared to small prints?

> I do like the MIS inks on Sumerset E but find the tone On Jazz and 
Plush kind 
> of an odd neutral. I'am going to wait another month or so and see 
what kind 
> of tone shifting I get With these MIS inks. I am getting nice 
prints from my 
> 7000 now which is a lot more fun  than testing.

You've got that right!!

> I have a thing for big 
> prints, so I'am playing with Scanner printer limits at this point. 
as far as 
> size.

Please keep us posted on how it all goes.

Thanks,
Martin