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Re: [Digital BW] Carbon Pigment Longevity Confirmed!

Re: [Digital BW] Carbon Pigment Longevity Confirmed!

2003-01-26 by Ernst Dinkla

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From: "Bruce Kinch" <pvx@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 6:30 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Carbon Pigment Longevity Confirmed!

> To broaden the scope, this time they included works on
> paper...including watercolors they admit can't be shown often because
> of fade issues. There was also a selection of photographs from the
> era-mostly salt prints and albumens, which have held up nicely, being
> silver based. But the killer image was a super-mammoth glass plate
> print of a mountain waterfall by Adolphe Braun (about 20" x 30"),
> circa 1870 or so. It had a tonal richness and depth that was vastly
> superior to anything else on the wall, and beyond most modern prints
> by any process. The wall label stated it was done with a carbon
> pigment process Braun had developed (but my history of photography
> texts indicate he acquired the French rights to the process, and by
> 1868 his firm was producing 1500 prints a day!).

French and Belgium rights to the Joseph Swann process. The last was a
versatile inventor who also had invented electrical lamps and photogravure.
The UK company Autotype is directly related to the companies that Swann
founded. There's a good summary of the activities of Adolphe Braun at
http://www.fotoplatz.stereographie.de/braun/braun.htm  (in German). At that
time the archival qualities of the process were already recognised. Not the
environmental qualities of the process though ;-)  The development and
production of the right papers for the process was one of Braun's
achievements. Not mentioned in the article but something I remember reading
in a book was a trick he used for his early flower photographs, the long
exposure needed at that time would make it impossible to photograph plants
and flowers so he put them in lime water for some hours before the picture
was made.

Ernst

[Digital BW] Carbon Pigment Longevity Confirmed!

2003-01-26 by Paul Roark

Bruce Kinch wrote:

>...the Museum of Fine Arts here in Boston struts out its cache ...

>... the killer image was a super-mammoth glass plate
>print of a mountain waterfall by Adolphe Braun (about 20" x 30"),
>circa 1870 or so. It had a tonal richness and depth that was vastly
>superior to anything else on the wall, and beyond most modern prints
>by any process. The wall label stated it was done with a carbon
>pigment process .... Close inspection
>showed absolutely no suggestion of fading, ...At 125 years
>and counting, it is stunning....

While all carbon prints are not the same, carbon does have a rich history of
making very archival prints.  Photo Techniques magazine has had a couple of
articles on one of the processes.  See the July/August 2002 issue.  The
author claims Wilhelm has tested several types of carbon pigment prints at
500+ years.

That is one reason I want to stick to carbon as the main ingredient in my
pigment mixes.  I just don't trust the Epson UC Matte black "proprietary
dyes and pigments" mix.  That said, carbon does oxidize.  The size of the
pigment particle and the degree of protection that the particle has from
oxidizing gases and moisture can be expected to have a significant impact on
longevity.  In this respect, I'm not sure how the older processes and what
we are using compare.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

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