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Re: b&w neg or colour transparency

Re: b&w neg or colour transparency

2003-01-30 by glewis4457@aol.com

In a message dated 1/29/2003 11:01:17 AM Central Standard Time, 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com writes:

> On Monday, January 27, 2003, at 07:25 PM, Bill Iverson
> <wiverson@...> wrote:
> 
> >How about color negative vs. B&W negative?  ...
> 
> For a year I tried shooting the finest-grained color negative film I could
> find -- Konica Impresa 50.  However, after that extended experiment, I
> returned to B&W film.  The increased grain after "filtration" in the
> computer out-weighed the advantages of the color information.
> 

FWIW....When I took the Epson Print Academy workshop they recommended 
scanning b/w from a good print rather than from a b/w neg.

Jerry in Houston


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RE: [Digital BW] Re: b&w neg or colour transparency

2003-01-31 by Shire,Stanley

I must be missing something here. Scanning from a print rather than a
neg?
Wayne Fulton (www.scantips.com <http://www.scantips.com/> ) does a
fairly extensive section to show that scanning a (color) print at
greater than 200 spi doesn't gain anything (other than file size.)
Granted, the Epson folks are talking about scanning a BW print but I
cannot imagine that a better result is obtained from a print, rather
than a neg scan. Any thoughts here?
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From: glewis4457@... [mailto:glewis4457@...] 
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: b&w neg or colour transparency
 
In a message dated 1/29/2003 11:01:17 AM Central Standard Time, 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com writes:

> On Monday, January 27, 2003, at 07:25 PM, Bill Iverson
> <wiverson@...> wrote:
> 
> >How about color negative vs. B&W negative?  ...
> 
> For a year I tried shooting the finest-grained color negative film I
could
> find -- Konica Impresa 50.  However, after that extended experiment, I
> returned to B&W film.  The increased grain after "filtration" in the
> computer out-weighed the advantages of the color information.
> 

FWIW....When I took the Epson Print Academy workshop they recommended 
scanning b/w from a good print rather than from a b/w neg.

Jerry in Houston


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RE: [Digital BW] Re: b&w neg or colour transparency

2003-01-31 by Alessandro Pardi

The only case when it may be worth is for *very* grainy films (3200 ASA):
scanners emphasize grain, so you may gain here more than what you lose in
detail.
 
Alessandro Pardi
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From: Shire,Stanley [mailto:sshire@...]
Sent: venerdì 31 gennaio 2003 13:56
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: b&w neg or colour transparency


I must be missing something here. Scanning from a print rather than a
neg?
Wayne Fulton (www.scantips.com < http://www.scantips.com/
<http://www.scantips.com/> > ) does a
fairly extensive section to show that scanning a (color) print at
greater than 200 spi doesn't gain anything (other than file size.)
Granted, the Epson folks are talking about scanning a BW print but I
cannot imagine that a better result is obtained from a print, rather
than a neg scan. Any thoughts here?

-----Original Message-----
From: glewis4457@... [mailto:glewis4457@...] 
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: b&w neg or colour transparency

FWIW....When I took the Epson Print Academy workshop they recommended 
scanning b/w from a good print rather than from a b/w neg.

Jerry in Houston




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[Digital BW] Re: b&w neg or colour transparency

2003-01-31 by danielstaver <daniel@petraflux.com>

Philip Harle has som comparisons in his Epson Perfection 2450 review:
http://www.virtualtraveller.org/epson2450.htm

Look at the bottom of the page. His conclusion was that using the
right method, scanning an Ilford XP2 BW negative on the 2450 was
better than scanning a print of the same photo on the same scanner.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Shire,Stanley"
<sshire@c...> wrote:
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> I must be missing something here. Scanning from a print rather than a
> neg?
> Wayne Fulton (www.scantips.com <http://www.scantips.com/> ) does a
> fairly extensive section to show that scanning a (color) print at
> greater than 200 spi doesn't gain anything (other than file size.)
> Granted, the Epson folks are talking about scanning a BW print but I
> cannot imagine that a better result is obtained from a print, rather
> than a neg scan. Any thoughts here?
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: glewis4457@a... [mailto:glewis4457@a...] 
> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: b&w neg or colour transparency
>  
> In a message dated 1/29/2003 11:01:17 AM Central Standard Time, 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com writes:
> 
> > On Monday, January 27, 2003, at 07:25 PM, Bill Iverson
> > <wiverson@c...> wrote:
> > 
> > >How about color negative vs. B&W negative?  ...
> > 
> > For a year I tried shooting the finest-grained color negative film I
> could
> > find -- Konica Impresa 50.  However, after that extended experiment, I
> > returned to B&W film.  The increased grain after "filtration" in the
> > computer out-weighed the advantages of the color information.
> > 
> 
> FWIW....When I took the Epson Print Academy workshop they recommended 
> scanning b/w from a good print rather than from a b/w neg.
> 
> Jerry in Houston
> 
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: b&w neg or colour transparency

2003-01-31 by Jerry Olson

It would be absolutely impossible to get as good of a scan from a print
as you could from its negative. You CAN, however get a very nice looking
inkjet print from a scan of a print, especially if you make your copy no
larger than the original. But no matter how much detail you get from a
scanned print, it is 10 times less detail than you could pull out of
negative. This really shows up when you want a 18 inch copy print, from
say, a wallet size photo. The detail just isn't there in a print.

Jerry



"Shire,Stanley" wrote:
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> 
> I must be missing something here. Scanning from a print rather than a
> neg?
> Wayne Fulton (www.scantips.com <http://www.scantips.com/> ) does a
> fairly extensive section to show that scanning a (color) print at
> greater than 200 spi doesn't gain anything (other than file size.)
> Granted, the Epson folks are talking about scanning a BW print but I
> cannot imagine that a better result is obtained from a print, rather
> than a neg scan. Any thoughts here?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: glewis4457@... [mailto:glewis4457@...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: b&w neg or colour transparency
> 
> In a message dated 1/29/2003 11:01:17 AM Central Standard Time,
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com writes:
> 
> > On Monday, January 27, 2003, at 07:25 PM, Bill Iverson
> > <wiverson@...> wrote:
> >
> > >How about color negative vs. B&W negative?  ...
> >
> > For a year I tried shooting the finest-grained color negative film I
> could
> > find -- Konica Impresa 50.  However, after that extended experiment, I
> > returned to B&W film.  The increased grain after "filtration" in the
> > computer out-weighed the advantages of the color information.
> >
> 
> FWIW....When I took the Epson Print Academy workshop they recommended
> scanning b/w from a good print rather than from a b/w neg.
> 
> Jerry in Houston
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Dimage scan Multi II vs. Epson 3200

2003-02-12 by Iain Kirk

I've had the Minolta for 8 months - top piece of kit!!! With regards to the 
Epson, I believe that a new Canon with similar specs is about. Maybe 
one should wait until both are out and read the reviews??? 

Sl\ufffdinte
Iain


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Subject:        	[Digital BW] Dimage scan Multi II vs. Epson 
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Hi,
I'm going to buy a scanner mainly for 35mm panoramic negatives. As 
far as
the Minolta Multi II have very good offers now. I wonder if it's a wise
purchase it, or the new Epson 3200 ?.
Any enlighten will be appreciate.
Best regards
Aitor


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Dimage scan Multi II vs. Epson 3200

2003-02-12 by aitor Peña Inclán

Hi,
I'm going to buy a scanner mainly for 35mm panoramic negatives. As far as
the Minolta Multi II have very good offers now. I wonder if it's a wise
purchase it, or the new Epson 3200 ?.
Any enlighten will be appreciate.
Best regards
Aitor

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