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EEM/EAM Deacidification -- Wei To spray #12

EEM/EAM Deacidification -- Wei To spray #12

2003-02-17 by Paul Roark

Short version:

The Wei To #12 spray, in initial tests, deacidified the EAM/EEM sample
through the entire paper base.  The sprayed sample is now "acid-free."

The long version:

My favorite paper continues to be EAM/EEM -- if it were only really
archival.  Unfortunately, it is not because it is acidic.  It is made of
un-buffered wood pulp, which, unlike cotton, has lignin in it that turns
acidic when it is broken down through oxidation.  Unfortunately, while the
lignin content of EAM/EEM appears to be very low, it is apparently
impossible to totally remove it from wood-based papers.

The acidity will eventually attack the cellulose and destroy the paper, but
this will take many years.  Epson and others have said that the acidity is
also what causes the paper to turn yellow after a number of years (30 - 65
seems to be the range).

Lignin by itself, even if buffered, is photo-sensitive and will yellow with
UV exposure.  I have put test strips right next to a UV lamp for 100 hours
and observed no yellowing in EAM.  An informal, preliminary test by a person
in the preservation industry also saw no signs of lignin.

Buffered wood-based papers can be archival.  The buffering simply mops up
the acid's H+ ions before they can do any harm.  If there were no acidity in
EAM/EEM, it might be quite archival.

I use an Abbey test pen to test for acid.  When it hits acid it turns
yellow.  When there is no acid (H+ ions), it turns purple.  The untreated
EAM/EEM paper base turns yellow.

Even cheap, wood-based paper is often buffered and turns the test pen mark
purple.  Buffering is cheap, so it is a little surprising that Epson did not
buffer EAM.

On the other hand, Epson may have chosen not to buffer EAM/EEM for some very
good reasons.  One article I read indicated that a better gamut can be
achieved if there is no buffering.  EAM/EEM's relatively good dmax,
light-fastness, non-flaking, smoothness, or other performance characteristic
might relate to the acidity or lack of buffering.  I have no idea what was
behind Epson's decision not to buffer the EAM/EEM paper base.

There is a small "deacidification" industry that caters to libraries and
other conservation and preservation-oriented organizations.  Claims of 300%
longer life for acidic paper documents and artwork are often tossed about.

My thought is to simply buffer the EAM/EEM prints after printing.  If a
spray on the back causes the paper to test as non-acidic, and it stays that
way for a reasonable time, we might have the superior performance of the
un-buffered paper with a life-span that is very long indeed.  In fact, if
the print is not dry-mounted or coated on the back, it could be re-buffered
if it ever tested as acidic many years down the road.

I have tried the Preservation Technologies spray.  It deposits a buffer on
the back of the print.  Unfortunately, the buffer does not penetrate the
paper.  As such, the back tests as non-acidic, but when ripped open, the
interior fibers still show yellow with my Abbey test pen.

I just tried the Wei To spray -- #12.  It appears to soak into the paper.
One slow sweep of the spray across the back is enough so that the interior
fibers are testing non-acidic throughout the paper.

In the past, I've been able to de-acidify EAM with ammonia.  However, the
gas leaves no buffer.  So, those samples turned acidic again in a matter of
days.  The Wei To leaves a buffer that should keep mopping up the H+ ions
for some time.  The question of how long and how much buffer is needed in
the interior for a reasonably long life is unknown.  I'll be testing the
sprayed samples and exploring that issue (among others) in coming
weeks/months.  The company probably has some information that will help.  I
think the potential user base here is large enough for the company to pay
some attention to the issue.

Acid-free (cheap) EAM/EEM -- it's worth pursuing.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Re: EEM/EAM Deacidification -- Wei To spray #12

2003-02-18 by Chris Hargens <ldmr@cruzio.com>

I agree with you that acid-free EEM is worth pursuing. In the best of 
all possible worlds EEM would go back to EAM.

Chris Hargens

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Short version:
> 
> The Wei To #12 spray, in initial tests, deacidified the EAM/EEM 
sample
> through the entire paper base.  The sprayed sample is now "acid-
free."
> 
> The long version:
> 
> My favorite paper continues to be EAM/EEM -- if it were only really
> archival.  Unfortunately, it is not because it is acidic.  It is 
made of
> un-buffered wood pulp, which, unlike cotton, has lignin in it that 
turns
> acidic when it is broken down through oxidation.  Unfortunately, 
while the
> lignin content of EAM/EEM appears to be very low, it is apparently
> impossible to totally remove it from wood-based papers.
> 
> The acidity will eventually attack the cellulose and destroy the 
paper, but
> this will take many years.  Epson and others have said that the 
acidity is
> also what causes the paper to turn yellow after a number of years 
(30 - 65
> seems to be the range).
> 
> Lignin by itself, even if buffered, is photo-sensitive and will 
yellow with
> UV exposure.  I have put test strips right next to a UV lamp for 
100 hours
> and observed no yellowing in EAM.  An informal, preliminary test by 
a person
> in the preservation industry also saw no signs of lignin.
> 
> Buffered wood-based papers can be archival.  The buffering simply 
mops up
> the acid's H+ ions before they can do any harm.  If there were no 
acidity in
> EAM/EEM, it might be quite archival.
> 
> I use an Abbey test pen to test for acid.  When it hits acid it 
turns
> yellow.  When there is no acid (H+ ions), it turns purple.  The 
untreated
> EAM/EEM paper base turns yellow.
> 
> Even cheap, wood-based paper is often buffered and turns the test 
pen mark
> purple.  Buffering is cheap, so it is a little surprising that 
Epson did not
> buffer EAM.
> 
> On the other hand, Epson may have chosen not to buffer EAM/EEM for 
some very
> good reasons.  One article I read indicated that a better gamut can 
be
> achieved if there is no buffering.  EAM/EEM's relatively good dmax,
> light-fastness, non-flaking, smoothness, or other performance 
characteristic
> might relate to the acidity or lack of buffering.  I have no idea 
what was
> behind Epson's decision not to buffer the EAM/EEM paper base.
> 
> There is a small "deacidification" industry that caters to 
libraries and
> other conservation and preservation-oriented organizations.  Claims 
of 300%
> longer life for acidic paper documents and artwork are often tossed 
about.
> 
> My thought is to simply buffer the EAM/EEM prints after printing.  
If a
> spray on the back causes the paper to test as non-acidic, and it 
stays that
> way for a reasonable time, we might have the superior performance 
of the
> un-buffered paper with a life-span that is very long indeed.  In 
fact, if
> the print is not dry-mounted or coated on the back, it could be re-
buffered
> if it ever tested as acidic many years down the road.
> 
> I have tried the Preservation Technologies spray.  It deposits a 
buffer on
> the back of the print.  Unfortunately, the buffer does not 
penetrate the
> paper.  As such, the back tests as non-acidic, but when ripped 
open, the
> interior fibers still show yellow with my Abbey test pen.
> 
> I just tried the Wei To spray -- #12.  It appears to soak into the 
paper.
> One slow sweep of the spray across the back is enough so that the 
interior
> fibers are testing non-acidic throughout the paper.
> 
> In the past, I've been able to de-acidify EAM with ammonia.  
However, the
> gas leaves no buffer.  So, those samples turned acidic again in a 
matter of
> days.  The Wei To leaves a buffer that should keep mopping up the 
H+ ions
> for some time.  The question of how long and how much buffer is 
needed in
> the interior for a reasonably long life is unknown.  I'll be 
testing the
> sprayed samples and exploring that issue (among others) in coming
> weeks/months.  The company probably has some information that will 
help.  I
> think the potential user base here is large enough for the company 
to pay
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> some attention to the issue.
> 
> Acid-free (cheap) EAM/EEM -- it's worth pursuing.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com

RE: [Digital BW] EEM/EAM Deacidification -- Wei To spray #12

2003-02-18 by Seth Rossman

Paul-

One thing troubles me about the soak-in spray.  I guess the analogy is paint
peeling off the side of a house.  It is caused from moisture or oily stuff
getting behind the paint. With water it just blisters off from the vapors;
with other substrates, it just refuses to stick.

Do you see this as a problem?  Is there any way to test for it?

Coming from the Cibachrome and dye-transfer days, I know what the wrong
chemical can do to surfaces.

Also, I know you are are aware, but to others that read your reports:
archival and de-acidified storage usually also mean encapsulation in Mylar
and dark storage in a controlled atmosphere.

Thanks,

Seth

=-----Original Message-----
=From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...] 

=Subject: [Digital BW] EEM/EAM Deacidification -- Wei To spray #12
=
=show yellow with my Abbey test pen.
=
=I just tried the Wei To spray -- #12.  It appears to soak into 
=the paper. One slow sweep of the spray across the back is 
=enough so that the interior fibers are testing non-acidic 
=throughout the paper.
=

RE: [Digital BW] EEM/EAM Deacidification -- Wei To spray #12

2003-02-18 by Paul Roark

Seth,

>One thing troubles me about the soak-in spray.  I guess the
>analogy is paint peeling off the side of a house.
>It is caused from moisture or oily stuff
>getting behind the paint. With water it just blisters off
>from the vapors; with other substrates, it just refuses to stick.

>Do you see this as a problem?  Is there any way to test for it?

I'll do what I can to test the product before actually using it on a print
that matters. It's too early for me to know.

The solvents are denatured ethyl alcohol, tetrafluoroethan, and
1,1-dichloro-1-fluoroethane.  Not being a chemist, I have no idea what all
the characteristics and risks of these solvents are.  It seems to evaporate
very quickly.  I think the idea is to leave no residue except the buffer --
basic magnesium carbonate.

The product is made to be used on papers with ink and colorants, but I'm
sure there is some risk that the solvent could affect something.

>...archival and de-acidified storage usually also mean
>encapsulation in Mylar and dark storage in a controlled atmosphere.

I'm just trying to deal with the major defect that has been identified with
EAM/EEM.  I think very highly of the paper, but acidity of the paper base
has been identified as the factor that will yellow it relatively quickly
(30 - 60 years), no matter how carefully it is stored.

In my actual dealings with old photos and digitally restoring those images,
the physical damage to the image from careless handling, insects, water, and
other environmental factors is far more of a problem than the fading of the
images or acidity of the old paper.  (We're not talking about low quality
newsprint paper that does seriously yellow and  deteriorate in rather short
order.)  So, I would agree that even if totally acid-free, protection from
environmental damage is critical.  At some point I'll have time to get back
to the coating issue, which I think holds some promise of helping to protect
the fragile inkjet images from physical damage.

I'm sure people who are primarily concerned with long-term, archival storage
will also insist on cotton.  I have some reservations about cotton
substrates due to the flaking of the coatings.  I think the soft cotton
substrate makes the flaking more of a problem.  (A thin coat of clay on a
pillow comes to mind.)  Epson's Ultra Smooth Fine Art is their latest effort
to make a cotton paper that does not flake.  So far, I see none with it, and
may use it for the museum reproductions.  But for my display images where
image quality and my out-of-pocket cost for large size paper are significant
factors, the post-printing deacidification spray could be a good compromise.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com
_________________________________

=-----Original Message-----
=From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]

=Subject: [Digital BW] EEM/EAM Deacidification -- Wei To spray #12
=
=show yellow with my Abbey test pen.
=
=I just tried the Wei To spray -- #12.  It appears to soak into
=the paper. One slow sweep of the spray across the back is
=enough so that the interior fibers are testing non-acidic
=throughout the paper.

Re: EEM/EAM Deacidification -- Wei To spray #12

2003-02-18 by johngeyles <jge@cs.unc.edu>

So, you put the Wei To #12 spray on the back, and the PUR (with the
wire-wound roid) on the front ?

How do the two interact ?   Which one do you put on first ?

Cool stuff !

John

RE: [Digital BW] EEM/EAM Deacidification -- Wei To spray #12

2003-02-18 by Seth Rossman

Paul-

This is REALLY off the cuff.  What about Epson double sided matte?  It
encapsulates the paper (okay, not the edges) with the coating.  But,
wouldn't it be inherently more stable.

Heck, it seems there are recycled papers out there that may be less acidic
for a base layer.

My initial reaction, though, would be back to the Epson "mount it" routine.
Then, I'd use an acid-free (NOT pH neutral) backing board. Not really
osmosis, but they should have a reasonable neutralizing effect on each
other.

I, too, am not fond of the mount-it-or-lose-it technology.

Seth

=-----Original Message-----
=From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...] 
=Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:49 AM
=To: DigitalB&WPrint
=Subject: RE: [Digital BW] EEM/EAM Deacidification -- Wei To spray #12
=
=
=Seth,
=
=>One thing troubles me about the soak-in spray.  I guess the 
=analogy is 
=>paint peeling off the side of a house. It is caused from moisture or 
=>oily stuff getting behind the paint. With water it just blisters off
=>from the vapors; with other substrates, it just refuses to stick.
=
=>Do you see this as a problem?  Is there any way to test for it?
=
=I'll do what I can to test the product before actually using 
=it on a print that matters. It's too early for me to know.
=
=The solvents are denatured ethyl alcohol, tetrafluoroethan, 
=and 1,1-dichloro-1-fluoroethane.  Not being a chemist, I have 
=no idea what all the characteristics and risks of these 
=solvents are.  It seems to evaporate very quickly.  I think 
=the idea is to leave no residue except the buffer -- basic 
=magnesium carbonate.
=
=The product is made to be used on papers with ink and 
=colorants, but I'm sure there is some risk that the solvent 
=could affect something.
=
=>...archival and de-acidified storage usually also mean 
=encapsulation in 
=>Mylar and dark storage in a controlled atmosphere.
=
=I'm just trying to deal with the major defect that has been 
=identified with EAM/EEM.  I think very highly of the paper, 
=but acidity of the paper base has been identified as the 
=factor that will yellow it relatively quickly (30 - 60 years), 
=no matter how carefully it is stored.
=
=In my actual dealings with old photos and digitally restoring 
=those images, the physical damage to the image from careless 
=handling, insects, water, and other environmental factors is 
=far more of a problem than the fading of the images or acidity 
=of the old paper.  (We're not talking about low quality 
=newsprint paper that does seriously yellow and  deteriorate in 
=rather short
=order.)  So, I would agree that even if totally acid-free, 
=protection from environmental damage is critical.  At some 
=point I'll have time to get back to the coating issue, which I 
=think holds some promise of helping to protect the fragile 
=inkjet images from physical damage.
=
=I'm sure people who are primarily concerned with long-term, 
=archival storage will also insist on cotton.  I have some 
=reservations about cotton substrates due to the flaking of the 
=coatings.  I think the soft cotton substrate makes the flaking 
=more of a problem.  (A thin coat of clay on a pillow comes to 
=mind.)  Epson's Ultra Smooth Fine Art is their latest effort 
=to make a cotton paper that does not flake.  So far, I see 
=none with it, and may use it for the museum reproductions.  
=But for my display images where image quality and my 
=out-of-pocket cost for large size paper are significant 
=factors, the post-printing deacidification spray could be a 
=good compromise.
=
=Paul
=http://www.PaulRoark.com
=_________________________________
=
==-----Original Message-----
==From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]
=
==Subject: [Digital BW] EEM/EAM Deacidification -- Wei To spray 
=#12 = =show yellow with my Abbey test pen. = =I just tried the 
=Wei To spray -- #12.  It appears to soak into =the paper. One 
=slow sweep of the spray across the back is =enough so that the 
=interior fibers are testing non-acidic =throughout the paper.
=
=
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RE: [Digital BW] EEM/EAM Deacidification -- Wei To spray #12

2003-02-19 by Paul Roark

Seth,

>...  What about Epson double sided matte?  It
>encapsulates the paper (okay, not the edges) with the coating.  But,
>wouldn't it be inherently more stable.

I don't think inkjet coating is the type of encapsulation that gives any
kind of protection against, for example, air-borne pollution.  I fact, the
opposite might be true.

Also, if acidic paper is encapsulated, it deteriorates faster than if it is
not encapsulated.  The acids form H+ ions that migrate.  If an acidic paper
is open to the air, some of those ions will simply migrate out of the paper
before doing any harm.  If the acidic paper is encapsulated, all the ions
are trapped and eventually attack the cellulose fibers.

>Heck, it seems there are recycled papers out there that may be
>less acidic for a base layer.

The only analysis I've seen of EAM paper base indicated that it was not a
poorly made paper.  It just is not buffered.  Since calcium carbonate
buffering is cheap, I think there must be a reason Epson did not buffer the
paper.  It probably relates to some aspect of performance -- gamut is what
I've read, but this was not from Epson.

In the tests with deacidification I've done to date, post-printing
application does not seem to affect dmax or fading.

The pre-printing buffering experiments I've done have been a mess.  If
calcium carbonate gets on the rollers, the paper feed appears to be
negatively affected.  I wonder if buffered papers are usually double coated
to stop this?  If so, this is surely a cost that Epson might want to avoid
to keep the cost of the paper low.  Epson's beta Ultra Smooth Fine Art is
also double coated, by the way.

>My initial reaction, though, would be back to the
>Epson "mount it" routine.
>Then, I'd use an acid-free (NOT pH neutral) backing board.
>Not really osmosis, but they should have a reasonable
>neutralizing effect on each other.

A buffered backing does catch those migrating H+ ions.  The Preservation
Technologies spray works on that principal.  It just stays on the back of
the paper, and the hope is that the migration rate, paper thickness, and
speed of acid attack are such that the buffering catches most of the H+ ions
before they do damage.  The acidic attack on cellulose is slow.  The action
of a buffer is almost immediate - but only when the migrating ion gets close
enough.

Preservation Technologies was going to test their product on EAM.  I will
give them a call to see whether they have done it yet.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com
______________________________________
=-----Original Message-----
=From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]
=Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:49 AM
=To: DigitalB&WPrint
=Subject: RE: [Digital BW] EEM/EAM Deacidification -- Wei To spray #12
=
=
=Seth,
=
=>One thing troubles me about the soak-in spray.  I guess the
=analogy is
=>paint peeling off the side of a house. It is caused from moisture or
=>oily stuff getting behind the paint. With water it just blisters off
=>from the vapors; with other substrates, it just refuses to stick.
=
=>Do you see this as a problem?  Is there any way to test for it?
=
=I'll do what I can to test the product before actually using
=it on a print that matters. It's too early for me to know.
=
=The solvents are denatured ethyl alcohol, tetrafluoroethan,
=and 1,1-dichloro-1-fluoroethane.  Not being a chemist, I have
=no idea what all the characteristics and risks of these
=solvents are.  It seems to evaporate very quickly.  I think
=the idea is to leave no residue except the buffer -- basic
=magnesium carbonate.
=
=The product is made to be used on papers with ink and
=colorants, but I'm sure there is some risk that the solvent
=could affect something.
=
=>...archival and de-acidified storage usually also mean
=encapsulation in
=>Mylar and dark storage in a controlled atmosphere.
=
=I'm just trying to deal with the major defect that has been
=identified with EAM/EEM.  I think very highly of the paper,
=but acidity of the paper base has been identified as the
=factor that will yellow it relatively quickly (30 - 60 years),
=no matter how carefully it is stored.
=
=In my actual dealings with old photos and digitally restoring
=those images, the physical damage to the image from careless
=handling, insects, water, and other environmental factors is
=far more of a problem than the fading of the images or acidity
=of the old paper.  (We're not talking about low quality
=newsprint paper that does seriously yellow and  deteriorate in
=rather short
=order.)  So, I would agree that even if totally acid-free,
=protection from environmental damage is critical.  At some
=point I'll have time to get back to the coating issue, which I
=think holds some promise of helping to protect the fragile
=inkjet images from physical damage.
=
=I'm sure people who are primarily concerned with long-term,
=archival storage will also insist on cotton.  I have some
=reservations about cotton substrates due to the flaking of the
=coatings.  I think the soft cotton substrate makes the flaking
=more of a problem.  (A thin coat of clay on a pillow comes to
=mind.)  Epson's Ultra Smooth Fine Art is their latest effort
=to make a cotton paper that does not flake.  So far, I see
=none with it, and may use it for the museum reproductions.
=But for my display images where image quality and my
=out-of-pocket cost for large size paper are significant
=factors, the post-printing deacidification spray could be a
=good compromise.
=
=Paul
=http://www.PaulRoark.com
=_________________________________
=
==-----Original Message-----
==From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]
=
==Subject: [Digital BW] EEM/EAM Deacidification -- Wei To spray
=#12 = =show yellow with my Abbey test pen. = =I just tried the
=Wei To spray -- #12.  It appears to soak into =the paper. One
=slow sweep of the spray across the back is =enough so that the
=interior fibers are testing non-acidic =throughout the paper.

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