Digital BW, The Print

>If it is true, as it apparently is, that Canon
>printers are set to become serious players in the fine
>art b/w market, it should be good news for the Epson
>users as there is nothing that will advance the breed
>like competition.  Epson has had it pretty much their
>own way for a long time now, but with some serious
>competition we should see some of the improvements
>that many here have been asking for.  Competition
>ultimately benefits the consumer.
>
>  
>

> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Truman Prevatt [mailto:tprevatt@...] 
> Verzonden: zondag 2 maart 2003 1:34
> Aan: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Onderwerp: Re: [Digital BW] Epson v Canon
> 
> 
> I guess I wonder if the market in fine art b/w market is big 
> enough to 
> make Canon want to duke it our with Epson.  Canon ( I am sure 
> like most 
> companies ) is run by accountants these days and Canon being a public 
> company is responsible to its shareholders to not make bad financial 
> decisions. It could take a fairly large up front investment 
> and from a 
> financial viewpoint I wonder if the return is there? It, 
> however, would 
> sure be nice to have options.
> 
> Truman
> 
> 
> Jerry in Houston wrote:
> 
> >If it is true, as it apparently is, that Canon
> >printers are set to become serious players in the fine
> >art b/w market, it should be good news for the Epson
> >users as there is nothing that will advance the breed
> >like competition.  Epson has had it pretty much their
> >own way for a long time now, but with some serious
> >competition we should see some of the improvements
> >that many here have been asking for.  Competition
> >ultimately benefits the consumer.
> >
>

From: "Truman Prevatt" <tprevatt@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson v Canon


> I guess I wonder if the market in fine art b/w market is big enough to
> make Canon want to duke it our with Epson.  Canon ( I am sure like most
> companies ) is run by accountants these days and Canon being a public
> company is responsible to its shareholders to not make bad financial
> decisions. It could take a fairly large up front investment and from a
> financial viewpoint I wonder if the return is there? It, however, would
> sure be nice to have options.
>
Truman,

Unfortunately you hit the nail on the head. The "fine art" B&W inkjet market
is a very small niche. Only a few thousand copies of the R9/Piezo plug-in
have been sold. Considering other inks and workflows I would take a wild and
generous guess that the market is no more than 25,000 to 50,000 at the
moment. On the level that Epson and Canon operate this is not a blip on the
radar.

Also we need to keep in mind that printers are designed to sell at a -1 to
+3% profit with the real profit expectations being in the sale of ink
cartridges. Seems unlikely that Canon would be overjoyed at ConeTech
bringing non-Canon inks to their printers.

The really big money market for inkjet printers is the business desktop and
there I believe HP is #1 with Canon a distant 2nd and Epson 3rd or lower.

All that said, I am very pleased to see Conetech expand the choices outside
of the Epson. I need to go check out the Canon site. Do they make an
affordable 22" wide printer?

Martin

(snip earlier)

  -----Original Message-----
  From: John Vitollo <jvlist@...> [mailto:jvlist@...]
  Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 7:29 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson v Canon


  > All that said, I am very pleased to see Conetech expand the choices outside
  > of the Epson. I need to go check out the Canon site. Do they make an
  > affordable 22" wide printer?
  > 
  > Martin


  Looks like only to 13 inches:

  http://www.usa.canon.com/html/conCprCatProdIndex.jsp?section=10199


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From: "Austin Franklin" <darkroom@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Epson v Canon


>
> > Only a few thousand copies of the R9/Piezo plug-in
> > have been sold.
>
> Er, didn't Jon just say 4,000+?
>
Austin,

That is about what I thought, with the "+" being the versions sold as the R9
plugin, maybe somewhere around 5000. Considering the size of the  market it
seems like a tiny amount. Although at a questimated average price of $200
per copy that is $1,000,000. Still that's spread over 4(?) years and two
companies. Nice cash flow for a small company but not much to an Epson or
Canon.

Martin

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Austin Franklin" <darkroom@i...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 6:41 PM
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Epson v Canon
> 
> 
> >
> > > Only a few thousand copies of the R9/Piezo plug-in
> > > have been sold.
> >
> > Er, didn't Jon just say 4,000+?
> >
> Austin,
> 
> That is about what I thought, with the "+" being the versions sold as the R9
> plugin, maybe somewhere around 5000. Considering the size of the  market it
> seems like a tiny amount. Although at a questimated average price of $200
> per copy that is $1,000,000. Still that's spread over 4(?) years and two
> companies. Nice cash flow for a small company but not much to an Epson or
> Canon.
> 
> Martin