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2003-03-03 by André Vallejo
Someone says this canon printer or it's predecesor can print as good prints
as the 1280,which is good,and having separate inks can be even better. But
does anyone knows what are the droplet size based on this information (Canon
web-site)? Guess we could use our MIS inks with it,right?
Number of Nozzles 3,072 nozzles (512 x 6 colors)
Print Resolution (up to) 4800 x 1200 dpi* in Black
4800 x 1200 dpi* in Color2003-03-03 by André Vallejo
Sorry,just found the droplet size info: 4 picoliters. Interesting....
2003-03-03 by Martin Sluka
At 21:18 -0300 2.3.2003, André Vallejo wrote: ******************************************* >Sorry,just found the droplet size info: 4 picoliters. Interesting.... > Try calculate a bit: There is a general problem of inkjet printing - to put enough ink on paper as fast as possible - the IRIS printer are able to put on one place as much as 96 pl (in 3 pl steps!!!) - not the eject the smallest drop. It is a problem of max. density you may print out. Epson heads use variable size drops - the largest drops are about 22 pl. If you use ONLY 4 pl drops you need 5.5 times faster printing (resolution, nozzles, ...) to put the same amount of ink on paper. And rich the same density. So 512 nozzles per ink with fix drop size 4 pl are comparable with 96 nozzles with variable size dot technology. Martin --
2003-06-13 by André Vallejo
Any news from the Canon beauty with the swapping head? Already on the road? Any tests?
2003-06-15 by André Vallejo
Good to know. We're now expecting that someone try the 9100 with the piezoinks that are made for them,so you can compare with the Epson output. If equal or better,the swapping head will make it THE choice... Message: 5 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 11:29:07 -0500
From: "Ken Carney" <kcarney1@...>
Subject: Re: Canon i9100
Well, I bought the i950 to do color snapshots, since everything else was
dedicated b&w. For that, at least, it is excellent. At the highest
resolution settings, an 8x10 color print in a minute or so, and the Canon
Pro glossy paper looks pretty good, if you like glossy paper. Excellent
detail, no banding at all. I did have to make a correction curve to get the
colors and contrast right. The little b&w I tried is as expected, a color
cast that you may or may not be able to get rid of, like a wet print way
overdone in selenium toner, i.e., running to purple.
Regards,
--Ken Carney
www.kencarney.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andr\ufffd Vallejo" <avs@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 1:26 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Canon i9100
> Any news from the Canon beauty with the swapping head? Already on the
road?
> Any tests?2004-06-05 by andrei_aderca
Is anybody using Canon i9100 for B&W printing? If so, what inks, papers, have you tried any of the CIS available? Anticipated thanks Andrei
2007-12-24 by Paul Roark
A generous forum member loaned me this Canon to see how an Eboni-based inkset might work on it. This is a dye-based hextone printer. In many ways it is very similar to Epson printers like the 1280. The bottom line is that it also feels like going back to the 1280 in terms of some of the dye-pigment problems, with a bit more print quality problems than a good 1280 would have. It can make B&W prints that look very good at a distance. However, it has a bit too much banding, at least with this first test inkset. The paper transport seems better than Epson's. I set it up to print with the Canon driver, curves and Create ICC. The dmax with a double Eboni MK in the M and C spots is up to 1.65 on EEM, with the average more like 1.63. A single Eboni cart in the K position can hit about 1.50. I used an Eboni-LLK in Y and 2 Eboni-LK densities in LC and LM. The base was a glycerol 10 to water 25, with 0.5% Photo Flow, which gives a viscosity that matches the Canon inks for the midtones. With respect to documentation, the printer is not quite up to the Epsons. Note that this says very little if anything about the modern Canon pigment printers. They are apparently a major advance for Canon. Happy Holidays, Paul www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2007-12-27 by Paul Roark
As follow-up note on this Canon experiment, I'm now getting quite smooth results with the printer. The base needed more wetting agent. About 3% Photo Flo seems to work well. I'm not 100% sure what the head arrangement is on the i9100, but some Canon head information I've seen indicates that they use very small nozzles (1 pl droplets) for half the inks, and larger ones (like 4 pl) for the others. I'd guess that is what the i9100 has. The light ink positions (Y, LC, LM) don't tolerate the typical Epson viscosity at all. However, the dark ink positions are not having all that much trouble with Eboni. They can't pump much volume, so the dmax even with the M and C both loaded with Eboni is down about 0.04 density units from what I'd expect with a modern Epson printer. It'll take some time to see if the system is reliable with this Eboni-based inkset. Aside from the somewhat modest dmax, however, it's putting out some nice prints now. Paul www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Roark Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 10:08 AM To: DigitalB&WPrint Subject: [Digital BW] Canon i9100 A generous forum member loaned me this Canon to see how an Eboni-based inkset might work on it. This is a dye-based hextone printer. In many ways it is very similar to Epson printers like the 1280. The bottom line is that it also feels like going back to the 1280 in terms of some of the dye-pigment problems, with a bit more print quality problems than a good 1280 would have. It can make B&W prints that look very good at a distance. However, it has a bit too much banding, at least with this first test inkset. The paper transport seems better than Epson's. I set it up to print with the Canon driver, curves and Create ICC. The dmax with a double Eboni MK in the M and C spots is up to 1.65 on EEM, with the average more like 1.63. A single Eboni cart in the K position can hit about 1.50. I used an Eboni-LLK in Y and 2 Eboni-LK densities in LC and LM. The base was a glycerol 10 to water 25, with 0.5% Photo Flow, which gives a viscosity that matches the Canon inks for the midtones. With respect to documentation, the printer is not quite up to the Epsons. Note that this says very little if anything about the modern Canon pigment printers. They are apparently a major advance for Canon. Happy Holidays, Paul www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroar <http://www.paulroark.com/> k.com/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2013-02-18 by kfbcz
Please, what were the final results of Your experiment with this printer (in regards to reliability of the setup etc)? I'm new to BW printing, I have an offer to buy this printer and I'm a bit tempted to get it (by A3 size of prints and quite good price). I would be thankful for information about ink dilutions used and some details of the workflow. Has anyone else succeeded using this printer for BW? --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:
> > As follow-up note on this Canon experiment, I'm now getting quite smooth > results with the printer. The base needed more wetting agent. About 3% > Photo Flo seems to work well. > > > > I'm not 100% sure what the head arrangement is on the i9100, but some Canon > head information I've seen indicates that they use very small nozzles (1 pl > droplets) for half the inks, and larger ones (like 4 pl) for the others. > I'd guess that is what the i9100 has. The light ink positions (Y, LC, LM) > don't tolerate the typical Epson viscosity at all. However, the dark ink > positions are not having all that much trouble with Eboni. They can't pump > much volume, so the dmax even with the M and C both loaded with Eboni is > down about 0.04 density units from what I'd expect with a modern Epson > printer. > > > > It'll take some time to see if the system is reliable with this Eboni-based > inkset. Aside from the somewhat modest dmax, however, it's putting out some > nice prints now. > > > > Paul > > www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> > > > _____ > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul > Roark > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 10:08 AM > To: DigitalB&WPrint > Subject: [Digital BW] Canon i9100 > > > > A generous forum member loaned me this Canon to see how an Eboni-based > inkset might work on it. This is a dye-based hextone printer. In many ways > it is very similar to Epson printers like the 1280. > > The bottom line is that it also feels like going back to the 1280 in terms > of some of the dye-pigment problems, with a bit more print quality problems > than a good 1280 would have. It can make B&W prints that look very good at > a distance. However, it has a bit too much banding, at least with this > first test inkset. > > The paper transport seems better than Epson's. > > I set it up to print with the Canon driver, curves and Create ICC. The dmax > with a double Eboni MK in the M and C spots is up to 1.65 on EEM, with the > average more like 1.63. A single Eboni cart in the K position can hit about > 1.50. I used an Eboni-LLK in Y and 2 Eboni-LK densities in LC and LM. The > base was a glycerol 10 to water 25, with 0.5% Photo Flow, which gives a > viscosity that matches the Canon inks for the midtones. > > With respect to documentation, the printer is not quite up to the Epsons. > > Note that this says very little if anything about the modern Canon pigment > printers. They are apparently a major advance for Canon. > > Happy Holidays, > > Paul > > www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroar <http://www.paulroark.com/> k.com/> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]